Technically its called the "PPF" or player promotion fund and i believe that is how it is referred to on most anything the mentions a promotion.

don't like that...

casinos that have close to a monopoly find out quickly that poker players will stand for anything if they dont have an easy choice of moving.

Anyone have an update on the most recent daily 5/10 game going and how it has been compared to the normal 3/5?? Heard now that WSOP is over the games are back to being juicy... I have been grinding out of state but plan on returning this week for a daily grind..

Yup.

And as mentioned previously, it pays for all sorts of nonsense, including overlays on guarantee tournaments, etc.

You can either be a regular contribute to it, and get screwed out of TONS of money, or you can be a bonus whore and play only when there's a football pool, monte carlo, etc. and then only get screwed out of a half a ton of money.

Trying to figure out whether the structure of the State Championship makes it worthwhile or whether it ends with all-in fests because everyone is pretty short. If they get 1000 players and each starts with 20K in chips an average stack with 50 left would be 400,000.

What I can't tell from the published stucture is what the blinds would be at that point. The flyer only lists 15 levels but I have to assume that the tournament won't be over after 15 levels. Anyone know what happens to the blinds after the 3k-6k with a 500 ante? Anyone go deep in prior years care to share their experiences?

Thanks,

Art

The concept that players have to pay for promotions to bring in more money for the casino is ludicrous.

CasAz is epic fail.

And yet markets like CT which have no competition treat players better than competitive ones like AZ and CA.

While I was saying things like the high limit players are getting the advantage from the jackpot drop, they also pay a much higher percentage of the floor tips as well.

If the all the food vouchers are coming out of the PPF, it really doesn't make sense on why it's such a lousy comp.

Here is another one, if the food voucher that came out of the PPF expires, does the money go back to the PPF or the casino?

I thought about leaving this alone bec I don't want to come off as a shill but have decided to speak up bec CAZ is NOT an epic fail, imo.

It is a nice size poker room w/ large comfortable tables and a lot of room between them, the dealer staff as a whole is excellent as is the floor staff. While they aren't allowed to spread NL there is still a good mix of games and they spread games as soon as they can (no waiting for a huge back-up list as Gila River does). Of course I don't like the $2JP drop but it's not as horrible as it could be. The HPF (promo fund) doesn't grow at a tremendous rate bec they are spreading the money out fairly fast in the form of the food vouchers, the relatively easy to hit BBJ and the wheel spins. I've collected $1,450 in promo funds, exclusive of the .825/hr the player's card is worth so it's not all bad. Food's good, too.



What IS bad is the AC problem but I'm convinced at this point, having talked to the staff multiple times, that the poker room management has done all they can about it. The problem lies w/ the over-all property management, imo, and I don't know what can be done about it.

Here's what's bad about that - Other players have involuntarily funded your windfall. They have "won" less than the average in promo funds. Which turns that part of the jackpot drop into a lottery ticket. A lot of people just want to play poker, not gamble in a skilless game. But they have no choice - they are buying $2 lottery tickets in every pot they play(win).

Further is the "comped" food. I don't eat at the casino. The only times I do is if I'm traveling, and therefore a captive audience. I never eat at my home casino. I go home or to a restaurant of my choice. I shouldn't be forced to buy their food, which is what I'm doing with the jackpot drop.

Vote with your feet.

It's not a windfall, I've paid in more than I've gotten and there are players who've gotten way more. I used what I've collected as an example of what might be expected for a player that puts in similar volume as I do.

Whether a JP is a good idea or not is another matter and not really suitable for discussion here bec CAZ is only one of many rooms that have it. If it punishes you in particular bec you don't take full advantage that's unfortunate but you are in the small minority.[/quote]



Heh, I just went thru 6 replies and decided that, as a solid poster, you didn't deserve any of them.

You guys have scared me off from driving up there with the AC problem descriptions - sounds like it would be pretty brutal. Do you know whether "overall property management" plans to get it fixed at some point?

You can come up. It's not 'HORRIBLE' horrible just uncomfortable esp when the room's crowded. When the summer's over it'll be ok until next summer.

What's irritating for me, having run my own business, is that I suspect that there's nobody who can simply take charge and fix the damn situation w/o red tape.

And you can solve the problem the way I did. Pour a bottle of water all over yourself. Yes, I have a lurker witness.

Other than the night of the haboob or whatever it was, the AC in the room has been fine imo; in fact it gets downright cold if you're there during off peak hours when the room clears out.

That's just the thing. It can't handle the load it should've been designed for. Most times when I'm there it's pretty warm. Not horribad but uncomfortable and it's not just me, many ppl feel the same. Like I said, when the summer's over things should get better.

Ray Zee is so right. My standard joke about poker players:

'If the game were spread in the middle lane of I-17 during a thunderstorm we'd still show up.'

CAZ is typical of all live poker rooms.

[x] High rake
[x] Jackpot drops
[x] Tourneys with bad structures
[x] Lots of fish

I'd like to point out that I too give back most of my un-earned JP booty to the high limit floor (though I've never seen that_pope and a tip in the same vincinity, hmmm).

Haven't played in a month but this matches my experience, after the haboob they brought in the industrial strength fans, and that pretty much solved the problem at least in the mid-stakes side of the room.

I'm gonna have to come back soon, between Howard's wet t shirt contests and ILikeRocks getting all n*pply, I feel like I've been missing all the fun.

Card rooms that are near a major city can mistreat and exploit the players and they will still get plenty of business. That's true here and in California. Every midwestern room I've seen does this.

On the other hand Las Vegas has tough competition and a ton of choosy local nits. The East coast casinos rely on a grumpy population to drive 2+ hours each way, so they have to make it worth while.

Last night @ Gila someone limped utg in 1/2. I raised to 10 and everyon folded. Dealer toseed me $3. Everyone though I was wierd for asking why.

why?

AC was fine today!

Really? How is any typical Vegas casino different than CAZ? Venetian, Aria and Bellagio don't have a promo fund. The rest of the casinos do. And I think most of them don't rake or take a drop before the flop. Otherwise what's the diff?

About 10 to 30%, net.