What was the final #?

They ought to learn a lesson from that. I suggested a different BBJ promotion that obv went nowhere: Leave the current BBJ permanently funded at $5,000 and start a 'Super BBJ' of quad over quads or better and let it grow to some huge number.

Meh. That would just quarantine the super bbj in a place where it would be impossible to get at.

Explain, plz. The current BBJ is generally too small to pack the room. It's ok but nothing special. I was at The Orleans last year when theirs was $100,000 and it was packed at 3am.

An army of septugenarians playing 3/6 where it's most likely to hit is not really what I go for. I'd be happier with a smaller drop that's spread across more promos.

That's a good point.

I think the difference in the jackpot amounts(10k regular vs 40k) and the way that it hadn't been hit so long matters much more than the nominal value of the jackpot. It is the perception that matters, not how much the jackpot amount is. After all, what percentage of people who were there today hit a poker jackpot higher than a $1000? What percentage will ever hit it?
4-5 years ago they used to regularly add amounts like 25k 50k to the jackpot in day time on weekdays. I dont think it ever created similar attraction that we saw in the last two weeks ( it didnt double the business of the room: this is my approximation for last two weeks) For example, if they increased the jackpot starting amount to 25k for good, it would create some attraction for a few weeks, but after that, it would be business as usual. Because after all, it is an illusion with such small probability of hitting something big. The reality will set in soon enough. It is a very strong illusion nonetheless. Everybody, myself included, gets influenced by it when the equation changes and such a pattern emerges (jackpot not being hit for so long)
I think the key to using jackpot fund to create business in a poker room is to change the equation in smart and different ways frequently, so that a different kind of illusion gets created every time. But after all no promotion is stronger than the one created by the players themselves when a long no jackpot streak like this happens. People are pattern finding machines

Maybe what they can do is when the BBJ gets to $10k or so, add $5k to it. Then when it gets to $20k, add another $5k. Or some variation on that based on what empirical studies show how much the big BBJ is adding to the drop.

what derdo said it's the perception. The old Stardust in its last years had huge jps with a high qualifier; @ losing with quad 8s but it didn't draw crowds.

I was there last night about an hour after the jackpot hit. I had chance to hit it as my 3 3 beat 10 10 on a 10 9 3 3 7 board. It would have been nice to hit it, but can't complain when sucking out with a one outer. I sat in the back of the room and can confirm that it was ridiculously hot, even for me in a T-shirt and shorts. It is amazing that they can't come up with a temporary solution while they are figuring out the master plan.

+1 except grow both of them

anyone here regularly play the $300+30 Big Stack and $200+25 Super Bounty MTTs?

Thoughts? Typical # of players for the two?

all i know is that the heat is ridiculous, it's obv a poorly run room. a dealer told me mgmt said to "stop complaining" about the heat, they aren't going to do anything about it imo

I've only played the bounty tourney twice and it was a good structure with some weak players. The format really brings out some gamblers. Usually gets around 250-350 players.

heh, many of the dealers are complaining. I had a dealer fanning herself between hands and one of the heavier guys was practically dripping and wiping himself off when he could. I find it tolerable now that they've installed high velocity fans but I'm not in constant motion like the dealers are.

Confirmed.

330 only had 226 runners on july 2

took 9 hours to get to the money

i cashed in 15th for 610, total profit of 270

first place was 19K and for 9 hrs of play they pay spots 11-20 a measly 270 profit?

cheap bastages

hadn't played since black friday, not sure if i'll play again anytime soon

meh, tournament poker is for suckers, i could've made 270 in a half-hour at a cash game and gone to play 18 holes at Talking Stick instead... not a fan of cash tho

good luck

oh... my thought is... the structure sucks more and more the longer the day goes on... and they'll never change it cause they have no interest in running a good poker tournament... they just want to clear the back of the room by a certain time.

I play both of those tournaments and I think the overall structure is as good as you will find for a lower buy in... Deep enough to play cards..

The play seems to be really weak and if you can avoid a bad beat early you can usually skate into cashing..

The late levels aren't the best so near the end it seems to be more of a shove fest but thats not usually till final two tables compared to daily tournaments which is a constant shove fest...

I wish they would get some tournament advise from Savage (WPT TD) on restructuring both the Big Stack & Az State but right now its better than any other tournaments in Az so hard to complain.

Which isn't saying much...

If you enjoy grinding 9 hours just so you can play "shove and pray" luckfest poker for $19K with a 600 consolation prize (thanks for playing, don't forget to tip your dealers), then CAZ is the place for you!

I dunno do you like any tournaments in Vegas other than WSOP?

I think CAZ Az State is similar to Caesars Cup and most none ME WPT events so its not that bad...

I think if you like tournaments the CAZ structure is fine.. but if you aren't a big fan of tournaments then the structure isn't perfect either...

I was a HUGE fan of Fort McDowell's Mega Stack which used to run every Saturday, $130 or so bought you 15K in chips with 30 min levels and a better, more evenly spaced blind structure. I won the tourney twice last year and made 5 final tables. It would take 11-12 hours but it was an awesome tourney.

But it would only get 115 entries every week. Then they switched it to Sundays (BOOOOO TERRIBLE MOVE) which was online majors day (remember those days?) so I stopped going.

I loved that Megastack. It makes me so sad thinking about how much fun I had last year... I believe it's now a $50 tourney with rebuys or some silly crap. Meh.

The CAZ deepstack (monthly?) has alot of play early but when it gets late and actually matters the stacks are quite shallow. I busted 11th recently, and with like 25 left I was chip leading but with only like 30 BBs. The average stack with two tables to go was quite low when I was there. It would be awesome if they could iron it out a little so there is more play late. Hopefully the state championship isn't quite this bad.

It will be. They barely changed the structure from last year.

So ******ed. But I can't criticize anyone by name obv. They know who they are (as if they even care about what the players think).

They'll hit their stupid million dollar guarantee because degens gonna degen... and so they won't have incentive to make the event a real event.

Just ask Chainsaw what he thought about coming here last year. No wait... don't ask him. LOL

Is this open to anyone or did you have to qualify for it somehow with "points"? It's obv not listed on The Stick's website...

And does anyone have advice on how often the STT's for a State Champ. seat are running? My guess would be they're lucky if they fill two of em each evening (meaning a lot of boring waiting since I don't play cash games).

Thx