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That's the WORST position to have her sit in. It's considered the "anchor" position and often decides for the entire table whether or not the dealer will bust. I don't recommend that seat unless she doesn't mind being screamed at by other players at the table.

Anyone who thinks the actions of a bad 3rd base at a casino with a 6-deck continuous shuffler impact them at all needs medicated.

We all know the cards are blank until exposed to air.

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12-23-2010 , 10:13 AM

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leo doc

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Originally Posted by pig4bill

http://blackjackdoc.com/files/wallet-color.pdf

Print it out and take it with you to the table. They don't mind.

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Originally Posted by chillrob

I would recommend having her sit in last position so the other players don't have to wait for her to read the card. That is what I do.

While those are suggestions that I might otherwise contemplate, I'm pretty sure she'd consider having the card at the table too "noobish" and be counterproductive to the image she'll want to cultivate.

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

It also gives you more time to count cards.

This would also be counterproductive for her image. It's also not possible... even with a single deck... after 3/4 of it has been dealt.

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Originally Posted by The Palimax

Anyone who thinks the actions of a bad 3rd base at a casino with a 6-deck continuous shuffler impact them at all needs medicated.

If someone calls her "third base" while she's sitting at the table, they'll damn sure need medicated.

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12-23-2010 , 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Palimax

Anyone who thinks the actions of a bad 3rd base at a casino with a 6-deck continuous shuffler impact them at all needs medicated.

We all know the cards are blank until exposed to air.

But do the people who are wasting their life away playing BlackJack at the casino think or know this?

All they know is that the stupid action of that last person took the bust card from the dealer. And they will let you know.

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12-23-2010 , 02:07 PM

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DesertCat

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Originally Posted by leo doc

This would also be counterproductive for her image. It's also not possible... even with a single deck... after 3/4 of it has been dealt.

When 3/4 of the deck has been dealt is when the count is most accurate.

It can be argued whether counting can be profitable in CAZ's huge multiple deck blackjack tables, but counting is clearly beneficial if done properly.

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12-23-2010 , 03:01 PM

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leo doc

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

When 3/4 of the deck has been dealt is when the count is most accurate.

I know this.

She won't.

It's moot anyway 'cause she just wants to give the illusion of knowing how to play. After all, it's Daddy's money and I'm just gonna be fuqqed out there by subsidizing the slot queen and the would-be blackjack jedi-master.

You'll be good enuf to remind me to reserve enuf cash to pay for my lodging, right?

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12-23-2010 , 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by that_pope

But do the people who are wasting their life away playing BlackJack at the casino think or know this?

Oh, I know they think they know....

Given a game with a continuous shuffler, I just take solace in knowing that if anyone complains that I took the dealer's card when I hit the wrong hand that they're stupider than I am - a rare treat indeed. ...then their complaints warm the thing in my chest that passes for my heart.

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12-23-2010 , 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by leo doc

You'll be good enuf to remind me to reserve enuf cash to pay for my lodging, right?

Don't forget about beer.

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12-23-2010 , 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by leo doc

If she gives the illusion that she knows how to count, she won't be playing blackjack any more.

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12-23-2010 , 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pig4bill

If she gives the illusion that she knows how to count, she won't be playing blackjack any more.

If she gives the illusion that she can count out of a continuous shuffler, they'll invite her to headline in place of David Copperfield.

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12-24-2010 , 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenOfSpades

Love people like you, you make BJ profitable for people like me.

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12-24-2010 , 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Palimax

I've played at the new casino, without any continous shuffler. I know they had them at the tent at some tables, so maybe they still have them elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by pig4bill

If she gives the illusion that she knows how to count, she won't be playing blackjack any more.

And I switched from playing $10 a hand to $200 a hand when the count moved massively in my favor, without any concern or comment by the floor.

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12-24-2010 , 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

I've played at the new casino, without any continous shuffler. I know they had them at the tent at some tables, so maybe they still have them elsewhere.

they are at the tables closest to the bar they are mostly $5 tables.

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12-24-2010 , 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PhosphoricAcid

they are at the tables closest to the bar they are mostly $5 tables.

I never understood this. They should be least concerned about counting at a $5 table, right? Shouldn't the auto shufflers be on the higher limit tables?

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12-24-2010 , 04:30 PM

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PhosphoricAcid

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I think the continuous shuffle is just for speed so there is no break in the games.

all of the other tables just have the auto shuffler that will shuffle when the shoe is empty.

maybe the higher limit players prefer to cut the deck.

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12-24-2010 , 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

I never understood this. They should be least concerned about counting at a $5 table, right? Shouldn't the auto shufflers be on the higher limit tables?

Most players that play above $5 a hand won't play auto shufflers, but rarely for the right reasons.

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12-24-2010 , 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PhosphoricAcid

Higher limit players don't really care about cutting, but keeping the game going is good, yes. It also serves to assure there won't be any card counting.

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12-26-2010 , 11:57 PM

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ZimSaw

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I am making my first trip to AZ in 5 years next month and staying at Talking Stick. It's going to be a guy's trip and I am looking for dinner suggestions in area. Also, any suggestions for a good sports bar in the area to watch the NFL playoffs would be appreciated. Thanks for your help.

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12-27-2010 , 12:22 AM

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AzMatt18

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Some really good, moderately priced places to eat in the area are 1) Don & Charlie's (Chicago style steak and chophouse) 2) Olive and Ivy (mediterranean) & 3) Stingray Sushi. Good sports bar close to CasAz is Zipps on Via de Ventura and Hayden. Good TVs, wings, and beer. Hope that helps

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12-27-2010 , 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AzMatt18

There is a great sports bar at 90th and via linda one exit north of CAZ, it used to be a Teakwoods, but it's under new ownership with new name, but the menu is still Teakwood's standard excellent. Can't remember name, take 90th exit, go right to first light, left on via linda, first right into Fry's parking lot and take first left into mini-mall lot where it is on corner.

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12-27-2010 , 07:34 PM

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leo doc

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I'm pretty dissapointed here fellas. My daughter is set to arrive on Thursday and I got no blackjack coach for her. Wassup with that?

And I'm good for a fun tic/hour as long as HB gives you the thumbs-up.

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12-27-2010 , 08:38 PM

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I'm not the best, but I can do it for a few hours sometime...but not more than 2.

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12-28-2010 , 03:38 PM

#1022

trussdude

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Can you post a picture of your daughter?

I may be able to make some time.

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12-28-2010 , 03:52 PM

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PhosphoricAcid

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Originally Posted by trussdude

Can you post a picture of your daughter?

I may be able to make some time.

yes please.

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12-28-2010 , 05:03 PM

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The Palimax

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Originally Posted by leo doc

I'm willing to learn how to play perfectly before Thursday.

I'm also willing to teach the Wizard's near-optimal strategy to someone who's willing to lower their expectation by about 2 bets per day from optimal. If you can't remember 7 "always" rules, you shouldn't be playing.

The "simple" Wizard strategy, for example, can easily be memorized, and while it costs you 0.000003 units every time you only HIT soft-15 against a 4 instead of doubling, well, as mentioned, it has the ability to be easily memorized.

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Always:

Hit hard 8 or less.
Stand on hard 17 or more.
Hit on soft 15 or less.
Stand on soft 19 or more.
With 10 or 11, double if you have more than the dealer's up card (treating a dealer ace as 11 points), otherwise hit.
Surrender 16 against 10.
Split eights and aces.

If the player hand does not fit one of the above "always" rules, and the dealer has a 2 to 6 up, then play as follows:

Double on 9.
Stand on hard 12 to 16
Double soft 16 to 18.
Also split 2's, 3's, 6's, 7's, and 9's.

If the player hand does not fit one of the above "always" rules, and the dealer has a 7 to A up, then hit.

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12-28-2010 , 06:21 PM

#1025

Howard Beale

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I have a feeling that I'm in for a great treat.

I think I'm going to get one circuit around the poker room w/ the young lady and an occasional hand sweat. Lucky me! Plus, I can coach her at BJ but I'll be suffering from 'the bends' the entire time.

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