In limit games, if people constantly color up to $500 chips, they will inevitably have to color back down in the not to distant future. I'm sure the rule is in place to prevent that from happening.

Except they allow coloring up to $500 chips in games where that is actually likely to happen. And coloring back down from $5 chips is as much trouble as from $500 chips. The coloring up to $5 chips at 8/16 is truly ridiculous; it doesn't even save all that much table space. And of course it is compounded by not allowing racks on the table (again, except in the high limit games). The biggest general problem is they have one set of rules for 20/40 and above and another set for below. There are so many differences that it leads to tons of confusion.

While we're chip talking it would better for everyone if the 8/16 was a red&white chip game.

Now that is crazy talk...why would you think that would be easier??

Red/White makes the pots look smaller so no good.

People accustomed to buying in for a rack which at $200 isn't really enough to play 8. What happens is people get ahead 'a lot' of chips and then want to run even though nothing special happened.

A rack is exactly the same proportionally at all their games though. Do you think they should change the chips they play 4/8 and 20/40 with also?

I think the "more chips=better game" is one of the bigger poker myths there is fwiw.

Says the guy who buys in for 4 racks.

I think this is just as mythical. People also come to play all day because they told the wife they'd be home for dinner, or bed. Someone looking to make a quick score is looking to make a quick score, I've seen them leave up a single stack with a smile on their face.

CAZ used to have a 2 chip/4 chip 10-20 game and it got killed off by the 4 chip/8 chip 8-16. The 10-20 was the worst game in the room bec of that, imo.

Yeah, I hear things like that too, but the 10/20 on the east coast I used to play in was the easiest game to beat ever, even if it didn't have the biggest pots. There was no lack of action in the 5/10 game they used to have either, despite each bet being only 1 or 2 chips. If they had a 10/20 and an 8/16 at the same time, of course one of those has to die, they are too close together in limits, and the new one probably just seemed more exciting.

Foxwoods 5/10 LHE played about 2x as big as the CAZ 8/16. Granted that was years ago when limit played much looser.

And it's simpler to color up and keep it simple with red chips. For some reason people don't like mixing blue and red chips when they are playing a hand even though playing a 16/32 hand with blue chips is ridiculous.

The 60-120 game with $10 chips was always far more action than the 40-80 with $10 chips, even though played by the same exact players. And no player ever complained about having to restack an aircraft carrier sized block of chips.

This was of course before CAZ banned it like they do all fun things.

More fun with CAZ rulings

- Player calls at showdown. Aggressor announces hand that is basically the nuts, caller mucks, aggressor turns over hand that is nowhere near nuts. Callers hand is not recoverable from muck. Floor ships pot to liar, does not punish them in any way.

Players who substantially miscall their hands and get opponents to muck should forfeit the pot.

- Floor starts 6 handed 40 game. Two hands are played. Floor tells two players they have seats in 20. They leave, breaking game after two hands.

If you quit a CAZ must move table, you are not allowed back on the list for the game for one hour, let alone back into it. How can the floor allow people starting a short-handed game to move to other games without a similar prohibition? They don't need to be compelled to play if they change their mind, but they should have to sit out the rest of the hour.

Allowing this behavior is insidious because it makes starting a new game next time that much harder. Rec players will say "hey I agreed to start a 40, then it broke because some regs were first up for a juicy 20 game. I wasn't even on the 20 list so I had to sit around 45 minutes before I could get a seat, I'm never helping start a game again".

Edit: let me clarify that I only think this should be the rule in new short handed game at a new limit, not a new must move into an existing game. The floor should just decline to move people out of the new game until it fills or an hour passes, whichever is first. 40 holdem barely runs as it is, allowing players to snap break it in the first down just means it's going to run even less

I also think anyone who agrees to start a new game should get picked up from their current game if they don’t take it. Make them sit out an hour too. Tired of players trying to game the new games, “yea I’ll take it”, then wait to see who takes it/who stays and decide they are staying

Maybe games with more chips feel like they have more action because they have more chips?

I don't think that's the case. I think that it's a truly psychological effect where ppl see an enormesor pile of chips and come along for w/e reason they can think up. (Also a red/white 8-16 would make it harder to dealers to create side pots which slows the game down.)

I feel like for me, I'm more likely to give more action in small chip structure than big one because it feels like it's cheaper to call or raise.

You should stop doing that. I came up w/ a 'trick' I used to employ when I first started playing since I did the same thing. I'd think of the bet/s to me as requiring me to reach into my pocket for cash. That stops the hand from grabbing chips and flinging them into the pot like it has a mind of it's own.

Maybe you only thought the pots were bigger because you remember so many chips

If I see the 8-16 game's not playing huge w/ pots that require 3 scoops by the dealer to shove it's not a good game. I played the 8-16 at Bellagio a long time ago w/ reds/whites (don't know if it's the same now) and it was a huge pita. Plus I'm old and don't want any upsetting changes at this point in my life.

Bellagio hasn't had 8/16 since they went from 8/16, 15/30, 30/60 to 10/20, 20/40, 40/80.

I might be done traveling to TS. Everytime I play here are proplems I have to live with.
very cold air blowing on me.
very over priced food sometimes good sometimes not so good. (Have Rio Salado Sportsman's Clubheard people gotten sick).
I know kitchen help not clean to clean . Recieved a sliced apple still had sticker on it.
seats very uncomfortable, I see locals bring $120.00 cushions to help.
Very bad rulings. Did I mention terrible rulings.
started a new game one seat openand held for 20 minutes or longer for someone paged, local told me it happens everyday he is at golf course. Floor person calls him. Glad I could start a game for floormans freinds. Next time have him bring clubs in I will clean them for him.
Seat comes open no floor person around to fill thel seat. You say something and you get smart ass reply by floor person.
Need a bad ruling first find a floor person. One will stand there and wait till a player tells them how it should be ruled on. Another will give a very bad ruling and if you question him your in for some realy ugly behavior. Who gave this guy anytype of authority.
A ruling by time floor man found and a ruling finally made you might of lost half of your
$ 7.00 time. Ask for a free time see what you get.
some very good dealers there. Too many that should never be able to sit in the box.
Local Indian cop gives ticket for making righthand turn in to second lane. Nobody comming from other direction. Wow they not making enough raping poker players and retiries on slots.
How can the lower limit players take so much moeny for bad beat, they are already holding over half a million of their money. Was told food comps come out of there. All promotions come out of it, and they keep 20% up front for adminastation costs.
getting tired have to hang up. Bye for now
Please add what I missed then you decide.
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Where do you find cheaper poker room food?

I've ate at TS once and it was full price, I pay next to nothing @ WHP. Example 3 or 4 bucks for Steak & Eggs.

Still like playing @ TS better though. Just giving you my answer to your question.