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07-14-2010 , 11:41 AM
Is the 5/10 dying at casaz? Or is it because of the wsop? I have noticed it isn't going, but I am there on Sundays mostly.
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07-14-2010 , 01:03 PM
Sundays have never been good for the 5-10, but summer and the WSOP naturally hurt all of the higher stakes games. That's temporary. What remains to be seen is how increasing the rake (which increasing the jackpot drop without increasing the payout is over the short term) for the low limit games is reducing the pool of regulars.
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07-14-2010 , 07:30 PM
While I stopped being a CAZ regular after I moved to Ahwatukee, I haven't so much stepped foot in the room to play 6-12 once I heard about the new rake. I just can't bring myself to do it.
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07-15-2010 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by AzMatt18
Is the 5/10 dying at casaz? Or is it because of the wsop? I have noticed it isn't going, but I am there on Sundays mostly.
Always slower in the summertime.
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07-22-2010 , 02:54 AM
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What does must move mean?

So at 1/2 spread...say one person raises the standard raise($6/$8/$10??) and everyone folds...how much money goes back to the player?

What's it take to win the jackpot and how much is it usually?

Do you get your chips before sitting down or when you sit down?

How many tables of $1/$2 NL do they usually have going at night 6-10pm
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07-22-2010 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
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What does must move mean?
Must move is only for higher limits, but when it is used it moves people from feeder games to the main game when a seat opens.

So at 1/2 spread...say one person raises the standard raise($6/$8/$10??) and everyone folds...how much money goes back to the player?
one dollar is removed preflop for the jackpot

What's it take to win the jackpot and how much is it usually?
AAATT beaten. Average I would say sits around $10k

Do you get your chips before sitting down or when you sit down?
either way works

How many tables of $1/$2 NL do they usually have going at night 6-10pm
I would guess 3+ tables of 1/2 & 3/5 each (weekday)
p.s. Anyone here playing during the day today?
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07-22-2010 , 01:54 PM
I didn't bless you.
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07-22-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovem0nkey
p.s. Anyone here playing during the day today?
Just being nitty, but I've seen must-move games as low as 6-12 in the Omaha game.

And to expand for the guy asking the questions: There are chip runners to handle all of your money-to-chip needs. You can visit the cage yourself, however if you like the experience. Cashing out is you visiting the cage - although a chip-runner will help if you've got a massive pile of chips (or if you are a little girl...).
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07-22-2010 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by The Palimax
Just being nitty, but I've seen must-move games as low as 6-12 in the Omaha game.

And to expand for the guy asking the questions: There are chip runners to handle all of your money-to-chip needs. You can visit the cage yourself, however if you like the experience. Cashing out is you visiting the cage - although a chip-runner will help if you've got a massive pile of chips (or if you are a little girl...).
I think you are technically correct, I vaguely remember some blue chip must moves occuring in the past, but it's been extremely rare.

Charlie,

Must moves are used in all the high limit games, from the 5-10 spread limit, 20-40 Limit HE, and up, and they are always chained, i.e. if a 3rd table starts it feeds the 2nd which feeds the main. And must moves aren't anything to be intimidated by, the floor will direct you to the first table, then tell you when it's your turn to move. If you play in one of the high limit games, just always remember when you are moved you get to come in for free. I.e. in the high limit games you have to post a blind to come into a game, but not if you've been must moved. You always have an option to wait until the blinds or post after them in the CO.
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07-25-2010 , 01:03 AM
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Whats the standard opening raise in the 1/2 $250 Fake NL game?

What's the game play like compare to online...say 50 or 100NL?

If someone raises and then you re-raise...do you just say raise again or specifically re-raise?

Assume UTG raises to $6 and then you wanted to raise the $6 bet up to $26 are you supposed to say "raise TO $26" or "I raise $20"?

When people say they chop the blinds...does that just mean they take back their blinds if everyone folds prior? Is this common? Why don't the buttons just raise like crazy in these games? Is there no rake? Is not chopping viewed as poor "sport"

Can you eat food at the table? Do the chips get all gross because of this?

How much are you supposed to tip the dealer on any given hand?
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07-25-2010 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
Must moves are used in all the high limit games, from the 5-10 spread limit, 20-40 Limit HE, and up, and they are always chained, i.e. if a 3rd table starts it feeds the 2nd which feeds the main.
Not always. At least in NL games, the general structure is there is one must move table that feeds all the main games. If there are 5 tables running, 4 will be main games, and one will be the must move. When a seat opens at any of the main games, the next person up at the must move fills it and any players waiting to play take the seat at the must move.

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Whats the standard opening raise in the 1/2 $250 Fake NL game?
That's the most real NL game at CAZ no? Not sure why you'd call that one fake. I don't play it but I'm sure anywhere from $6 to $12 is 'normal'. Just sit in and you'll see pretty quickly.

What's the game play like compare to online...say 50 or 100NL?
.10/.20nl online

If someone raises and then you re-raise...do you just say raise again or specifically re-raise?
Either is fine.

Assume UTG raises to $6 and then you wanted to raise the $6 bet up to $26 are you supposed to say "raise TO $26" or "I raise $20"?
Either is fine. You're supposed to try and be as clear as possible.

When people say they chop the blinds...does that just mean they take back their blinds if everyone folds prior? Is this common? Why don't the buttons just raise like crazy in these games? Is there no rake? Is not chopping viewed as poor "sport"
In lower limit games (3/5nl and below) it's pretty standard for almost everyone to chop. The button doesn't raise like crazy because they're not there to make money they're just there to have a good time. I routinely see people even at 5/10nl on the button look at their cards, and you can tell they have a good hand, but they ask the blinds if they chop. If the blinds say yes, then they will fold their good hand just to allow the blinds to chop. If there is a rake or not when you chop depends on the game. For instance at CAZ in the 3/5nl game they will take $1 for the jackpot before you chop. But in the 5/10nl game there is no rake in that game. (its a time game) Some players view not chopping as poor sport. If you don't chop in a 3/5nl or below game, you'll probably be one of the few and you will find some people who think you're a jerk. At 5/10nl and up it's totally normal not to chop.

Can you eat food at the table? Do the chips get all gross because of this?
Yes and maybe, depends what you and and how you eat. It's pretty common to eat at the table at CAZ.

How much are you supposed to tip the dealer on any given hand?
There are a billion threads on tipping you can search in this forum. My standard is to not tip if I win the pot preflop, tip $1 for most pots, $2 for big pots. I feel like that is standard, but again, just search some threads because everyone has a different opinion of this.
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07-25-2010 , 02:19 AM
Wow, they fixed the lighting in there. It's much brighter now and the crappy cards don't seem as crappy. GJ CAZ
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07-25-2010 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NOSUP4U
Not always. At least in NL games, the general structure is there is one must move table that feeds all the main games. If there are 5 tables running, 4 will be main games, and one will be the must move. When a seat opens at any of the main games, the next person up at the must move fills it and any players waiting to play take the seat at the must move.
by fake NL i meant that it's technically Spread Limit but for all intents and purposes it plays like a NL game.

So you rarely see players that are super aggro in late position in this game?

I know you jokingly said it plays like .10/.20 but those games typically are fairly loose with lots of players seeing the flop, family pots, not many 3bets pre etc etc.
From what I've heard from some friends that played they said the $1/$2 NL games are kind of nit fests.

So then to be the nice guy just chop in the blinds but feel free to abuse the button? Or is even that going to be frowned upon....not that I care but just curious

$12 wow...that's a jump up from my 2.5x-3.5x raises at 50NL lol.
I'll probably read up on the Live NL forum and work on my smiling whenever I get good cards tell.
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07-25-2010 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
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Can you eat food at the table? Do the chips get all gross because of this?
Everytime I've been to CAZ I've eaten at the table. Normally I try to pick something that I can use silverware to eat so I don't have to move my hands from my food to my chips to my mouth. Though I will make an exception and sit out for the club sandwich. Good stuff.
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07-25-2010 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
by fake NL i meant that it's technically Spread Limit but for all intents and purposes it plays like a NL game.

So you rarely see players that are super aggro in late position in this game?

I know you jokingly said it plays like .10/.20 but those games typically are fairly loose with lots of players seeing the flop, family pots, not many 3bets pre etc etc.
From what I've heard from some friends that played they said the $1/$2 NL games are kind of nit fests.
The small blind is raked away before the deal in 1/2 making it 0/2. Steal raises are not common. Even if you want to steal the 2$ that badly, they are raking 2$ on the flop no matter what. So you can pay 25% rake or more on a small pot.

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So then to be the nice guy just chop in the blinds but feel free to abuse the button? Or is even that going to be frowned upon....not that I care but just curious
yes, with that huge rake it's not worth playing blind on blind at 2-5 and below.

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$12 wow...that's a jump up from my 2.5x-3.5x raises at 50NL lol.
I'll probably read up on the Live NL forum and work on my smiling whenever I get good cards tell.
There is no standard at 1/2. Last night there was a 1/2 table where it was 15 and it was playing bigger and deeper than a 3/5 game a few tables over.
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07-26-2010 , 12:46 AM
Does anybody know how many 1/2 and 3/5 NL games run in the afternoons during weekdays? Thanks.
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07-26-2010 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
by fake NL i meant that it's technically Spread Limit but for all intents and purposes it plays like a NL game.

So you rarely see players that are super aggro in late position in this game?

I know you jokingly said it plays like .10/.20 but those games typically are fairly loose with lots of players seeing the flop, family pots, not many 3bets pre etc etc.
From what I've heard from some friends that played they said the $1/$2 NL games are kind of nit fests.

So then to be the nice guy just chop in the blinds but feel free to abuse the button? Or is even that going to be frowned upon....not that I care but just curious

$12 wow...that's a jump up from my 2.5x-3.5x raises at 50NL lol.
I'll probably read up on the Live NL forum and work on my smiling whenever I get good cards tell.

The 1/2 can be hit or miss. I have played in games that rival a drunken Las Vegas night and also games where you would think everyone is just grinding for the rakeback. I had a pretty decent sample in the game before moving up and I was around $23/hr. I played w a kid once that said he averaged $110/hr in the 1/2 at casaz. Obv this isn't possible, but I found it kind of funny.

3bets are def rare and are usually done w a top 3hand. So you can get away w alot when you squeeze since most players in the game don't know that people are are allowed to do this w something other than QQ-AA.

You can raise the button w/o being a jerk. Just do it in stride w the game and it usually won't draw much attention that you are the reason the blinds aren't chopping. You might get the occasional comment from one of the older regs, but you can just say you had a raising hand and they wont say much more.

As far as opening raises, I would usually open a pot for $10, adding $2 for each add'l limp. It worked well for me.
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07-26-2010 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
I know you jokingly said it plays like .10/.20 but those games typically are fairly loose with lots of players seeing the flop, family pots, not many 3bets pre etc etc.
I don't think Mark was joking.
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07-27-2010 , 02:07 PM
Anyone else notice that the customer service has really gone downhill? It's the same people, so I don't really understand it.
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07-27-2010 , 04:57 PM
I won a seat in the AZ Poker Champ on my first attempt last week (single table SNG)... wondering what happens if I win another seat? Can it be transferred (sold)? Could I take the seat ticket but then return it to the house for cash if I don't need or use it?

I also learned if you bust on either Day 1 or Day 2, you can come back and rebuy on Days 2 and/or 3 if they don't sell out all 900 entries... so could I win a second entry and use it as my "just in case" backup plan? Of course, if I do run good on Day 2 and make the Monday final, what would I do with my extra seat at that point? I don't want to play used car salesman on Sunday morning trying to hawk my extra ticket and convince people its all legit and I'm not scamming them...

Anybody know?
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07-27-2010 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Alizona
I won a seat in the AZ Poker Champ on my first attempt last week (single table SNG)... wondering what happens if I win another seat? Can it be transferred (sold)? Could I take the seat ticket but then return it to the house for cash if I don't need or use it?

I also learned if you bust on either Day 1 or Day 2, you can come back and rebuy on Days 2 and/or 3 if they don't sell out all 900 entries... so could I win a second entry and use it as my "just in case" backup plan? Of course, if I do run good on Day 2 and make the Monday final, what would I do with my extra seat at that point? I don't want to play used car salesman on Sunday morning trying to hawk my extra ticket and convince people its all legit and I'm not scamming them...

Anybody know?
I will buy your second ticket if you don't need it.
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07-28-2010 , 02:06 AM
They have always allowed ticket sales as long as you don't charge more than cost, in the past it would sell out. I'm thinking it won't under the 3 day 1 structure, anyways. Usually you can spin through the high limit section and sell it at a small discount, if you don't want the hassle of holding a second ticket for day 2/3 I'd just sell the extras as you win them and buyin direct to days 2 and 3 if need be.
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07-28-2010 , 12:08 PM
Don't have a second ticket yet m0nkey, not sure I will, was just wondering how it worked. DesertCat has the right idea anyway, sell it right away and if I need to rebuy, just use the cash to do so. Only drawback would be if it does sell out.

I won my seat a week ago (7/20) and my entry number was 460... so they're halfway sold out it would seem.

Can't wait to play, the 3 week wait is just draggin along... End of month tourney seems like small potatoes now.
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07-28-2010 , 01:24 PM
Can u buy in on the day of the tournment? if so what are the chances it will sell out by then? I am probably playing it but i dont want to drive all the way down there to register.
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07-28-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by A 1 i s h A
Can u buy in on the day of the tournment? if so what are the chances it will sell out by then? I am probably playing it but i dont want to drive all the way down there to register.
There are three Day 1's on Fri Sat & Sun. Friday already sold out and as of my entry a week ago Sat is half sold... I would show up on Sun and get there early because line gets long close to 9am start usually.
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