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This anti fair-play behavior, is illegal? This anti fair-play behavior, is illegal?

04-13-2012 , 12:28 PM
Hi,

Thereīs a situation that I saw one week ago in a poker table.

Before the action preflop, two players see the flop. The flop cames with two:club, (it isn't important the cards or the pot size), one of the players (A) has 50$ in his stack, the other player (B) covers him.

Ok, the player B checks and the player A bets for 49$, lefting only one dollar behind in his stack. (He has top pair). Player B calls (with flushdraw).

Now, player A takes his only chip and start to play with it in his hand, up to his face.

At this point, the turn comes with an 8. The dealer looks to the stacks and he doesn't see any chips in player A's place. So, the dealer continue taking cards, he place the river on the table without action.

Now, the river was another 8. Nobody speaks, and after two or three seconds player B show his cards, he has a failed flushdraw but also he has trips with an 8.

At this moment, player A claims to remove the river card because he has still one dollar and he wasn't be able to act in turn because the dealer took out the river.

I think, definitely Player A act against the fair-play. He prepares conscientiously the move. He knows if he take his chip, the dealer may make the mistake and think he was all-in. And if the third comes on the river he claims remove it.

But the didn't come, so he was waiting to see Player B's cards. When he saw that his hand wasn't enough to win the pot, he claims.

I think this situation is a dealer mistake, but, it isnīt true that Player A canīt take off the chips of his place? (but he can say that only take it to play with it, like a lot of players do with one of his chips)

Is this move legal or illegal?

The solution is remove the river card, shuffle it and reopen the action on turn?

Can Player B win the pot with the 8 on river?

Thanks!!
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04-13-2012 , 12:46 PM
Most rational floor people would rule that the $49 bet was valid and that the only amount that could have been at risk was the additional $1 which was never placed into the pot - so the pot was good when the other cards were dealt.
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04-13-2012 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Charlotte FatMan
Most rational floor people would rule that the $49 bet was valid and that the only amount that could have been at risk was the additional $1 which was never placed into the pot - so the pot was good when the other cards were dealt.
OP should be moved to B&M, not Venues.
Floor should not allow the $1 freeroll. Pot stands at $49, board stands as dealt (including river).
This is clearly an angle; it's not "illegal", but Player A should get a stern warning against pulling this sort of BS (hiding chips, if nothing else).
Of course, a rules-happy-technocrat-nit commonsense-deficient floor might not rule this way, and might roll the action back to the turn, allow turn action, and shuffle the river back into the stub and redeal the river.
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04-13-2012 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MJ88
might roll the action back to the turn, allow turn action, and shuffle the river back into the stub and redeal the river.
If this is the ruling appeal to the room manager. If the room manager concurs never play in this room again.

Even aside from the fact that villain caused the problem himself by hiding the chip the fact that villain never spoke up to protect his action means he accepted the action. It'd be a little trickier if they got it in on the turn but the fact that villain accepted that there was nothing to bet on the turn means he's all in for the 49 and the board stands.
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04-13-2012 , 04:20 PM
such an obvious angleshoot that the guy should be kicked out of the casino just for trying it.
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