5-5 plo runs every day pretty much, and plays like most other casinos. i feel like there are more short stacks at hard rock, but i dont play to many other 5-5 games at other places. people will generally gamble it up if the right mix of people are there. have played in some 5-5 plo games there where avg pot was like 500 and was 4-5 way each flop for hours.

5-10 nl gets going a lot as well. i dont play that game though, but have friends who do and they tell me its generally a good game. its the slow season now though, so i assume the games will slow down overall.

few things to mention (hopefully a floor/supervisor from hard rock reads this...) its not a valid excuse to tell the players "well, we dont know why we do it this way, but we do" "its a dumb rule, but its a rule so we must follow it" its absurd you dont have chip runners to get players bigger chips. if you want to buy big chips (500s and 1ks), the player has to walk up to the front and get it. if you want to buy from the cart (when it happens to be back there) you can only buy 100s. when the cart runs out of 100s, it takes them 30 mins to fill it (they said they have to walk to other side of the casino to fill it, when the cage in the poker room has plenty of chips in the cage). their buyin rules are so archaic and dumb. put big chips in the cart. just have a rack of the 500s in the bottom under all the chips and sell to the bigger games when needed. if you dont put big chips in the cart, at least let floors or chips runners actually get them for players.

Silks chairs remind me of wsop banquet seating

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Believe it or not I played 10 hours at Silks without a problem. I cant explain what is good and bad for my back. It makes no sense. The chairs at HR are clearly more expensive chairs but they have some very weird contoured back and it just killed me.

How was the action at Silks? I don't venture there because there's only usually $1/2 going when I play...

Don't look for the 2/5 there, most of the winning regs moved to THR. However their 1/3 I heard is a max BI of $600 and they'll let you run it twice at a certain pot size. Heard it's basically replaced their 2/5. The action there when I played 1/2 a lot was always soft. A lot of passive players and the occasional gambooler. I may check out the 1/3 some time this week. If it's the same pool
Of players who played 2/5 less the winning regs then I imagine it's a pretty soft game.

^^Pretty much this. I use to play there regularly a few years ago when I lived right in Westchase area. The 2/5 games were always super soft. But those games died out. Idk if most remember that Silks was the 1st to have the 2/5 $1k cap. Hard Rock later upped their $500 cap game. And even though the games were great at Silks it was basically the same bad regs. Eventually I think most of the solid winners "broke" the room. It was just too small to sustain the same people losing large amounts of money over & over & over again.

The few times I've been in the room recently though I see a lot of the same faces as years ago. Only difference is they are playing 1/2 or 1/3 so they are probably just losing less. I jump between 1/2 & 2/5 these days so Hard Rock is still best option. 8-12 tables of 1-2 & 4-6 tables of 2/5 make that an easy decision.

But when I have ventured over to Silks recently I wasn't disappointed. Thursday night for example I had a +$1k 6hr 1/2 session with some pretty amazing drunk players and other weak spots. Of course it's just 1 super session but coming from someone who use to play in this room 4-5 days a week I don't think it's too uncommon to atleast see those same types of players regularly. Only issue for regular grinders is getting stuck at the only other 1/2 table running that might just suck or waiting 15-30mins just to sit. You never have that problem at Hard Rock. And as far as the 1/3 game at Silks it can be juicy as well but better catch the right lineup. TBH I'd rather sit 1/2 there much of the time. Too many people have egos and think it's beneath them or something. I've had good sessions there at 1/3 but IMO it's more solid play then not. Whether they are big winners or not isn't really the point. I've heard several of the regulars talking ranges, 3 betting light, balancing, and other strat talk that is super annoying. If you want to play in that game be my guest. I'll take the guy ordering shots of jack and blasting off with air at the adjacent 1/2 all day.

Wow that would literally blow my mind to hear people talking about light 3! At the table.

The 1/3 with $500 max buy in at Silks was very very soft. The table I was at was very very passive and nitty. I bought in for $300 and got busted once with QJ vs KQ on a KQJ flop. Then I rebought for $500 and started raising 3-4 times per orbit and pretty much ran over the table for a couple hours. I ran my stack up to $900 in a couple hours before the table broke. I was the only player under 70 at my table.

Complete WTF time now. A dealer last night said they will be charging $10 for parking. If they do, no amount of disaster can befall those dumb greedy farks that I won't be cheering on. Hopefully this is a driver to for the state to play hardball and open competition whereever there are seminole properties.

All MGM properties (Bellagio, Aria, Mirage, etc) in Las Vegas are charging for parking, minimum $7 for 0-4 hours, and up from there. Valet is $18 too. Unfortunately this is becoming a new norm. You'll likely get discounts with better players cards (likely free for elite or X).


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I'm pretty sure you're a FL reg, but in case you're not: Tampa ain't Vegas. This isn't "hey we need additional revenue because there are 27 casinos eating our lunch..", this is "hey **** it, we have zero competition and degens are gonna get their fix, so might as well get some more $$$ out of them". This is a cash grab pure and simple.

I don't blame them, I am surprised they didn't do it sooner. But to liken this to any casino on the LV strip is comparing apples and oranges.

If parking in any strip property parking lot would ensure the player would only play at that property while they parked they would pay people to park there. It's a completely different thing.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, this is going to be a headache for them once they implement it. Between the complaints from regulars, older people etc.. The poker room it probably won't have much impact, but the casino, slots, diners it will. I still say it lasts under 3 months.

That's the thing that baffles me, a casino's job is to get people there, once they are there, I can't tell you how many times someone says "I'm only going to lose the $200 I brought" loses it in 20 min and hit's up the ATM for another $300. The $10.00 parking is just going to give people a reason not to go there. Will it stop the total degenerates, no. But the "I'm on the fence about going people" it will. A lot of the older people, it will, and I'm sure the $10.00 will stop people on principle alone as well...... For instance, if I just wanted to go to the Hard Rock Cafe for dinner, which I usually do once or twice a month anyways, I'll just go somewhere else now, where I don't have to pay to park.... If I'm torn between Hard Rock or Derby on a Fri night, it makes it a little easier. Just stupid on so many levels if you ask me.

The pay to park is pretty much a joke. Poker players have other options but pit and slot players don't. Seems like it will hurt poker there imo.

I live in Orlando and Daytona poker room is closer. It's sometimes a coin toss on which room I will head to and the parking fee won't change that for me. There are definitely other people that will decide to drive to Daytona instead of HR to play poker.

I'll take the over. You think they're going to get rid of the pay for parking after they've put money into it?

People with bitch about it but it will become the new norm at some point then you'll only hear people complaining about it who aren't regulars or the squeakiest wheels who complain about everything but still continue to play.

It's seriously gonna be $10 for parking? What happened to $5? Holy ****.

However,you only need 75 hours of play at Bellagio or Aria etc. each year to get upgraded to a Pearl card which gives you free parking.Is THR planning to implement anything like this?

I have no idea, but I would be shocked if Elite and X had to pay


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How much does it really cost to install a parking attendant box, and a parking card dispenser? Couple thousand per garage? They'll make their money back on that the 2nd night. lol But between the lines of people getting out, complaints, bitching, lost business, I think there will be a large outcry from the patrons and like I said, people not going on principle. Am I saying that it will keep the degens out, no, but the causal, I go 1-2 times a week to eat, and gamble a little bit, I think it will take at a portion of those people out.

For instance was actually just having this convo with my friend last night... He goes down twice a week after work, grabs a drink or two and throws $20.00 into a penny slot machine after work just to relax and unwind. He either plays til he loses it all or gets to $100 (98% of the time he loses) but it's his relaxation... He even said 0% chance he's going there anymore if he has to pay $10.00 to park. While his $75 a week he blows between the slots and drinks, doesn't mean **** to the casino I'm sure, if even 1-2% of the other guests who go there and do something similar, it will have an impact. I personally play about 25 hours a month there and about 15 a month and Derby, but if there's really a $10, parking charge, unless I'm planning on going late night, I'll probably just go to Derby most nights, more on principle, but I think Derby has better action games anyways.....

I don't think Tampa is a massive gambling town, and has a lot of other things to do.....I think giving people the average person a reason not to go there, will be a bigger impact than people think. Once again, not saying they'll lose 20% of their business or anything absurd like that, but I think it will be a decent amount, to not justify the money they make from parking, combined with the bitching, complaining, and bad publicity they will probably get from it. Time will tell I guess though...

This increases quality of clientele and allows them to create a better experience for higher end players. It's not all bad things at all


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While the high end players are great, how many "high end" players are there in the Tampa area? A few hundred? Even with that, I'm guessing 60-70% of their money still comes from average Joe going in, having a few drinks and casually losing a few hundred on Blackjack or Slots.... Giving them a reason not to go, seems pretty dumb. Like I said, is a $10.00 parking fee going to effect everyone's decision to go, or even the majority. No, but I think it will effect enough that it's noticeable to them after a few months, combined with the whining and bitching from their everyday clientele, I believe it will, **** their Facebook wall is already loaded with people bitching about it and it hasn't even taken affect yet. lol

A buddy of mine has a theory the $1/2 games will be affected but will have little affect on $2/5 and up. I think he's correct to an extent - the losing/breakeven players will go to Derby and Silks, but the whales simply don't care. The end result is less nits but now a higher percentage of good players that one must compete with for the whales' $$$. It's gonna create an interesting dynamic shift for sure.

There are a lot of 2/5 players that come from the Orlando market,some that currently drive longer to get to THR than to Daytona Beach.Add in a new Poker Room opening much closer to Orlando in 6 months and THR charging $10 for Parking(if true) and it is likely to have an impact.Part of this depends on the quality of the new room that the DBKC is opening in Orange City.Time will tell.

Yeah, the $2/5 game, the Hard Rock really is the only game in town, unless a lot of the reg's decide to start a revolution and move it Derby somehow.... While the $10.00 is annoying, and if you go to the Hard Rock 3 times a week the $30.00 a week-$120.00 a month would def add up, I honestly think more people won't go on the principle of all. That's what will keep me away to be honest. Between the slots not paying out (I'm not a slot player, but have heard from everyone and there mother they are the worst paying out slots ever), no match plays in the mail anymore, no free drink tickets in the mail anymore, comp balances that expire after 60 days, I think this will just be the straw that breaks the camels back for a decent chunk of people, poker players and non poker players alike. This isn't Vegas, and this isn't some rinky dink town where the weather sucks 9 months a year, there's plenty of other options of things to do in this town and blow your money on.... Think this just might give people a reason to do that...

Whoa whoa whoa this is mega news, where can I find more?


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