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Would you C bet this board texture Would you C bet this board texture

10-15-2011 , 08:45 PM
Please explain why or why not, and if possible, give examples of boards you would C bet and reasons for c betting them, thanks

No reads, because it was my first hand, but from the buy in you can probably make up a generic villain.

PokerStars - $0.45+$0.05|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

CO: 1,670.00
BTN: 1,490.00
SB: 1,480.00
Hero (BB): 1,500.00
UTG: 1,500.00
UTG+1: 1,500.00
MP: 1,500.00
MP+1: 1,480.00
LP: 1,380.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has Kd Ah

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 20.00, BTN calls 20.00, SB calls 10.00, Hero raises to 140.00, fold, BTN calls 120.00, SB calls 120.00

Flop: (440.00, 3 players) 5c 2c 3s
SB checks, Hero bets 300.00, fold, fold

Hero wins 440.00
10-15-2011 , 10:19 PM
Meh, at this buyin I'd seriously consider shoving pre and getting three callers.

For exactly the same reason, I can't think of many boards that I wouldn't cbet, maybe only some very coordinated monochrome boards where I don't have the flush draw, like T98 or something, and also boards where I flop something immortal like KKK

As for reason why, c-betting for value with Ace high at this level.
10-15-2011 , 11:57 PM
I found this video by nikachu to be really helpful with which flop textures get the least folds vs the randoms that call you with crap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsaL2...eature=related

low connector 2 tone flops probably aren't the best, but then again, I'd probably c-bet most flops with AK haha
10-16-2011 , 03:30 AM
wut? cbet this flop vs 3 players is terrible

std c/f
10-17-2011 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AcidManner
wut? cbet this flop vs 3 players is terrible

std c/f
I wouldn't c-bet this. There's a good chance one of them is set mining and if they haven't hit they have an overpair.
10-17-2011 , 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AcidManner
wut? cbet this flop vs 3 players is terrible

std c/f
It's vs 2 players.
10-17-2011 , 10:13 AM
Listen to me: c-bet any flop
10-17-2011 , 12:20 PM
this is not the best situation to cbet - you are up against 2 players and will never take them off a hand. You have a 2 tone board and there are no face cards which would allow you to represent 2 high cards which just hit. If you hit an Ac or Kc on the turn or river after getting called, you may end up stacking off to a flush.

Main factor - If you are trying to build a bankroll at micro stakes, bluffing in a multiway pot will not get you there. If you were heads up, fine. You aren't...thinking you are betting for value with A high is ridiculous.

Last edited by jamit; 10-17-2011 at 12:40 PM.
10-18-2011 , 04:01 AM
Dont C bet this flop....with AK sure bet out the pot with AA or KK...... here you have A high and u will not get people of any hand in a .50$ game...they will go all in with any pocket...any card they paired and any flush which is a possibility considering there are more than 2 people on the flop...and the blinds are 2 low tourney just started...wait and get a better hand
12-29-2011 , 10:05 AM
Yeh, I would cbet this and call a push. Probably push turn if flat called. Maybe just open shove the flop.

This is the 3-wheel card flop. You have a straight draw. Could get action from worse aces, pps, and some low card hands. Willing to gamble with AK here.
12-29-2011 , 10:15 AM
Good flop for you, probably just shove flop, and get called called by much much worse at this buy-in. If they have a pair we have good equity.
12-29-2011 , 02:25 PM
I dont like the betsizes!
How you played your hand, you have put in around 1/3 of your stack.
What if one of those 2 players has 66/77/88.
They call the flop and you cant double barrel without risking your tournament life here.
If the pre flop bet was smaller, you could very well double barrel or get out for less chips invested.
12-29-2011 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrKel
I dont like the betsizes!
How you played your hand, you have put in around 1/3 of your stack.
What if one of those 2 players has 66/77/88.
They call the flop and you cant double barrel without risking your tournament life here.
If the pre flop bet was smaller, you could very well double barrel or get out for less chips invested.
i disagree to some extent. At this buy in level we dont need to disguise the strength of our hand with our bet sizes, players are generally just clicking buttons and not thinking 'mm wonder why he made it 6x pre'. They just wanna see a flop, with our big hands in the early blind levels you can make huge raises after limpers and they'll still call with junk (Ace rag etc). So just go ahead and make it huge and shove any flop and you'll print money
12-29-2011 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
i disagree to some extent. At this buy in level we dont need to disguise the strength of our hand with our bet sizes, players are generally just clicking buttons and not thinking 'mm wonder why he made it 6x pre'. They just wanna see a flop, with our big hands in the early blind levels you can make huge raises after limpers and they'll still call with junk (Ace rag etc). So just go ahead and make it huge and shove any flop and you'll print money
But you still have no pair in your hand.
C-betting ok, but when you get called there is no way you can continue on the turn when you dont get a A or K.
I do understand your reasoning, but i dont like to take this line with a not made hand.

If i would take a exploitive betsize, than i wouldnt make it 7x with this hand.
Than i would even prefer to get around 1/2 my stack in pre flop and jamm on any flop, since we are already comitted due to our pre flop size.
Basicly we just shoved pre in this way.

But we both agree here with jamming on any flop.
12-29-2011 , 04:00 PM
we have the nut no pair thou

Basically when players are this bad and probably stacking off on this flop with KQ/KJ/QJ/Ax then AK is a relative monster

I agree make it big enough pre so you can shove any flop or just shove pre. Obviously this play is complete garbage at higher stakes, but when people are calling huge pre flop raises with junk then it becomes more profitable to play it this way.
12-29-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingandtheduck
we have the nut no pair thou

Basically when players are this bad and probably stacking off on this flop with KQ/KJ/QJ/Ax then AK is a relative monster

I agree make it big enough pre so you can shove any flop or just shove pre. Obviously this play is complete garbage at higher stakes, but when people are calling huge pre flop raises with junk then it becomes more profitable to play it this way.
I dont think that people will stack off with KQ,KJ,QJ etc on this Board even at this buyin level. They will stack off with overpairs TP, Flushdraws etc.Its very Hard to play AK Postflop if you dont hit multiway. i think bet/folding should be the best play but i am not sure.
12-29-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
I dont think that people will stack off with KQ,KJ,QJ etc on this Board even at this buyin level. They will stack off with overpairs TP, Flushdraws etc.Its very Hard to play AK Postflop if you dont hit multiway. i think bet/folding should be the best play but i am not sure.
They may stack off with weaker aces on this flop. You have 10 outs against a pp. Bet/folding this flop is horrendous. Just get the money in.

      
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