Apparaently you have no clue what set mining is. Also there are times when its ok to limp. THere are many pro's and players who are ok with limping in the right situations.

Hre is a quote from CHris Ferguson about limping. This is a paraphrased quote. He said he doesnt like open limping, and will either open raise or fold, and almost never ever open limp. Altho he said there are some extrmely rare times when he will open limp.

Then he said that when he limps, its when there are a lot of limpers who have limped in front, giving him very good pot odds to limp behind.

The coach Giggle Girl I had(who is,was a forum reg said limping is ok when your not open limping and when you have limpers limping in front, giving you good pot odds, as long as you limp on the button or cutoff or late position, and when you have 12 to 14 BB's or more, and that limping with 11 BB's or less is bad.



This shows there are some limited times, even when only have 13 x BB, when its ok to limp, when you have position on the button, cutoff, late
position, and when you have everybody limping in front of you to give you great limping pot odds, and when you have the right specific limited range of limping hands


Now question how often is one going to be able to meet all those requirements to be ok to limp in? not very often, and quite limited and rare.


So its not like I am saying that limping is awesome go do it all the time. I am not saying that at all.


leave it to people like you to take everything that is said totally out of context and be sarcastic about it.


And if you dont think its ok to limp ever no matter what in this kind of situation then you dont know how to play poker and are not a good poker play, if you think that.

There is just no way on earth that you are under 40, is there?

This is what you learned from coaching? What a waste. I'd say you lit money on fire but at least when you light money on fire you might get some warmth from it.

you're right mikeal, we don't know what we're doing and we're not good players, we just make a living doing something that we're horrible at, we just moved to a different country to continue doing some we're horrible at, and we'll never understand the logic of a true "beast" at poker.

David, this is your fault. I didn't want to read this trainwreck in the first place.

I'm sorry man, I didn't know what we were getting into. After reading those other threads, now I know. Beyond hopeless....

With only 13 x BB's raise and then calling with a non good hand is pretty damn stupid, unless you are planning to shove all in, postflop, or bluff the other player out if they are a ultimate tight nit.



So yes and no to answer your question. Yes most of the time, I am only raising and calling with the top of my range when I am down to 13 x BB or less stack.



But also no I do sometimes raise and call with a much wider range, when I am down to 13 x BB or less stack, in some limited specific situations.



And no I almost never ever raise and fold with 13 X BB or less stack. I just dont do it.



Most of the time, I shove with a 13 x BB stack or less, IN A TURBO. But that doesnt mean there arent exceptions. There are exceptions when I do raise, call,bet,call preflop and postflop. And there are exceptions when I limp in.
And there are extremely rare times(almost never ever) when I raise,fold



But like I said me and Henjon werent covering the exceptions.



we were saying that most of the time, in a normal usual situation, where the exception doesnt apply, most of the time in that normal situation, when down to 13 x BB or less stack in a TURBO 90 to 360 man, I shove.



Also in a NON TURBO 27,45 man tourney, its about a 65/35 split, meaning I raise call, 65% of the time, and shove 35% of the time, when I have a 13 x BB or less stack in a NON TURBO 27,45 man, because the stacks are shallower, and players ultimate tight nits, and blinds dont go up as fast, which means you have more time, and so dont have to shove as wide, and can wait to shove, and in the meantime between shoves, just raise



No way me and Henjon are saying to be a shove,pushfold bot, and that there arent exceptions.



There are excpetions, and one should always play according to table conditions exceptions,nuances etc.



Example at a offline casino, I shoved all in preflop 1 out of every 3 hands I got dealt, WHY? because they never ever called. Heck I even suspected that some might even be folding KK, because they NEVER EVER CALLED.



Now is it right to play that way NORMALLY, HELL NO. But that situation was the exception not the NORM.


So thats what me and Henjon are saying that normally in TURBOS 90 to 360 mans, when your down to 13 x BB's or less stack size late tourney IN A TURVO 90 to 360 man, that shoving is the right prefered thing to do, most of the time normally in that situation. And that there are exceptions when its ok to limp, raise,cal,etc etc.


You guys need to take what is said in context, and stop taking things out of context. And work on your reading comprehension.

Oh so you know more then chris ferguson? NO you dont

and if Chris Ferguson says its ok to limp, when he Chris ferguson saysa its ok to limp, then its ok to limp in that situation.

WHY? because he Chris Ferguson knows more then you and is more credible then you.

Also Chris Ferguson is more logical, and reasonable then you and makes more sense then you.

So I will listen to what CHris ferguson says over what you say.

And what I said Chris ferguson said is right out of the Full tilt poker tourney eidition green book.

I suggest you go read it.

And what I said Chris Ferguson said, is what Chris Ferguson said.

oh my god.

Lol dude, you had a chance to get coaching from Shaun Deeb because you were so bad and didn't want to listen to anything any competent player had to say to you, and that obviously didn't happen, which means you are BEYOND hopeless. Be as bad as you want to be, just don't pollute this forum with your bad information.

Oh and for what it's worth, in a online STT or MTT SNG, I would probably take odds on acbarone over Chris Ferguson.

Chris ferguson, Lederer make more money then you guys. Also Giggle girl(the coach I had) was making about 7k to 17k a year part time, spare time. And in 2010 I Made $1675 before black friday made me have to withdraw. I also have a 140% ROI 15% ITM and a 7 star 98% 32,000 out of 2 million players with 73 cashes out of 473 180 man to 8000 man MTTS TOP 3 to 5% of online players in the world at the $4 to $12 stakes I played at the volume I played, and at the level I played according to OPR

And I also have a 13 to 19% ROI and 37 to 43% ITM on sharkscope.

So your comment about how good you are, is so silly.

Also you keep taking what I and Henjon said out of context.


PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION NOW


ME AND HENJON ARE NOT SAYING TO BE A SHOVE BOT,PUSH BOT.


WE ARE NOT SAYING DONT NEVER EVER RAISE<ETC WHEN DOWN TO !3 X BB STACK


WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS:


WHEN YOU ARE DOWN TO A !3 x BB STACK IN A TURBO TURBO TURBO 90 90 90 360 360 360 MAN TOURNEY, THAT MOST MOST MOST OF THE TIME SHOVING IS BETTER THEN RAISING IN A NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL SITUATION

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS EXCEPTIONS EXCEPTIONS TO THAT THOUGH, WHEN ITS OK TO RAISE,LIMP,ETC.

AND I SAID THAT IN A NON TURBO NON TURBO NON TURBO 27,27,27,27,45,45,45 man TOURNEY, AND WHEN DOWN TO 13 X BB STACK IN A NORMAL NORMAL SITUATION, IN A NON TURBO 27,45 MAN TOURNEY,LATE TOURNEY, ITS OK IN THAT SITUATION TO RAISE RATHER THEN SHOVE, BECAUSE STACKS ARE SHALLOWER< AND PLAYERS ARE TIGHTER IN NON TURBO 27,45, AND THAT YOU HAVE MORE TIME TO RAISE AND NOT SHOVE, BECAUSE THE BLINDS DONT GO UP AS FAST AND WONT BLIND YOU DOWN AS FASTLIKE IT DOES IN A TURBO. WHCH IS WHY YOU SHOVE a 13 x BB STACK IN A TURBO< BUT DONT IN A NON TURBO

AND THAT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONSEXCEPTIONS EXCEPTIONS TO THIS


THere does the bigger text help your eyes see better and read and comprehend?

SO STOP TAKING WHAT I SAID OUT OF CONTEXT.

Easy to do when you just steal hundreds of millions of dollars.

O/U posts itt at time of lock is 337.5

Please don't ban him. His posts are more comical to read than watching episodes of Two and a half men or family guy.

Are you really arguing that making $1600 and having a coach that made $17k somehow makes you credible? Be proud of your results, but it's a pretty small e-penis for waving around. Using them to argue credibility, well, kills your credibility.

For your sake I hope you are just playing around and not this clueless.

This guy is awesome.

That being said lock ban etc