CO BU and BB are regs. SB is rec. HRC says that we should be shoving an insane! 42% in this scenerio. Do you guys always shove this wide? I was always thinking that people may abuse ICM a little bit and call off too wide in 180s. I think they adjust more when it's 4-5handed. HRC has them on calling:

CO: 8.3%, 88+ A9s+ ATo+
BU: 3.0%, TT+ AKs AKo
SB: 9.1%, 77+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs
BB: 13.6%, 55+ A7s+ A8o+ KJs+ KQo

I know pocket pairs are super fist pump jam like here, but do you shove as wide as HRC suggest? I guess I was making a mistake of raise/f some of the hands here

If 4 out of the 3 villains behind are REGs this is a first pump shove cuz we can safely assume they are (or at least should be) ICM aware players and you´re only shoving 20bbish effective vs 1 guy.

if you widen the button to 88, AQ, the number is reduced by quite a bit i think. havent run it. but yeah i shove pretty wide here. not that wide. more like 35% or something.

I'm by no means an expert on this subject, but I just wanted to point out that if you're raising the top of your range small to get additional value then it will drastically alter unexploitable shoving ranges, making the bottom of that range "very" unprofitable to shove. If you want to shove the bottom of that range you've got to balance it by also shoving AA, thus a strategy that includes some raise/calling and raise/folding is likely more optimal.

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No you don't. You don't find yourself in the spot often enough to need fancy play syndrome balancing.

You missed my point. I'm talking about the ranges on the chart he posted, and pointing out that when you shove villains will likely (correctly) discount the top of your range.

So I don't think it's profitable to shove 20 BBs with 67s if opponents are responding close to correctly. That was the point I was trying to make.

icmizer has nash shoving even a little wider in this spot




This spot is all about what the btn's tendencies are. if they are a bad player and disregard icm then no way will shoving this wide be profitable here

notice the drastic change in our range when we give him 4.7% (TT/AQ+) calling range




Also when we jam here vs any competent player they will discount the top of our range (JJ+) when we jam here as we would most likely minraise those for a higher ev and may be inclined to call us with hands like 88/99/AJ if he does that and we shove hands like K5s we are burning money as you can see

Hey I really like this post I'm a live cash game player trying to transition to live MTTs and you guys seem pretty serious about your shoving ranges and I could use some good direction on the subject any specific charts and resources you guys recommend.


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Ranges are dynamics unless you´re playing GTO but that very rarely will be the case unless you´re playing against a really really good opponent but in the vast majority of the time you should adapt an exploitative strategy an therefore need to adjust your shoving ranges based on villains theoreticall calling range, you can build and make your own pushign charts based on nash and it will take like a couple of hours and it would be a great starting point but from there you need to adapt to max EV (as will always be the case in poker).

Personally i strongly recomend you to profile players theoretical shoving range in dif categories and build your shoving ranges based on those like Nit, Tag, Lag and Maniac.

I also found out that is extremely helpfull to play with effective stack sizes and calling ranges behind you like setting a balanced mix of those calling range profiles at like 10bb effective and also add a few shorties and deeper stacks too and see how it affect you shoving ranges.

Also be very aware of the stack sizes in the blinds specially the BB ince these guys calling ranges are gonna be the widest of them all cuz they´re getting better price to call you so if you have a shortie in the BB your shoving ranges shold be tighter overall cuz he´s gonna call u more often and therefore you´re going to showdown more often too, these are just some tips that i have used in the past that have really helped my push/fold game, hope it helps, cheers.

Sounds great thanks for the reply but I'm assuming your constructing all the theoretical ranges on a software that will show you optimal shoves against different player types and effective stack sizes what is the name of the software. Above they have snaps of hrc I'm guessing that's the one if not let me no.


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The 2 most used are ICMizer and HRC for sure and thevast majority of the mid stakes+ regulars recommend HRC over ICMizer but personally i would recommend you to get ICMizer if you´re just starting out on push&fold ranges and want to learn a lot more and qcuicker about ICM because a) ICMizer interface is a lot more user friendly than HRC imo and b) ICMzier has a feature called SNG Coach (<--- click there to check it out) that will help u a lot with ur ICM decissions way wayyy faster than HRC, my 2cc.

good points, thanks guys