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08-10-2011 , 06:20 PM

LOLFTSMBN

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 796

Poker Stars $2.28+$0.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 9 players
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MP1: t22526 M = 3.13
Hero (MP2): t16640 M = 2.31
CO: t18190 M = 2.53
BTN: t17060 M = 2.37
SB: t58687 M = 8.15
BB: t15836 M = 2.20
UTG: t44120 M = 6.13
UTG+1: t35990 M = 5.00
UTG+2: t40951 M = 5.69

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is MP2 with 7

1 fold, UTG+1 calls t3000, 2 folds, [color=red]Hero

Thoughts?

08-10-2011 , 06:27 PM

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Unopened obviously I do.

I generally shove here even with a limper unless I have a read that suggests I shouldn't

08-10-2011 , 06:28 PM

LOLFTSMBN

adept

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 796

Limper wasnt anything special. Sorry should have added.

08-10-2011 , 06:44 PM

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Generally either we stack off with limper or we stack off with someone behind us and limper folds, both pretty good scenarios considering how much equity our hand has vs pretty much any ranges and how much dead money there is.

A significant amount of the time we win without a showdown which is obviously fantastic.

Def shoving this.

08-10-2011 , 06:53 PM

The Dozza

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 107

Agreed, unless specific read on limper it's going in. Unopened it's going in. nh

08-13-2011 , 05:17 AM

eNd0x

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 181

unopened its easy shove

08-13-2011 , 06:23 AM

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camzace

This works if we are as shorty as we are here, because of the dead money in the pot we are getting ideal pot odds to ship, but if our stack was the same as UTG +1, would you ship it as well?

08-13-2011 , 11:14 PM

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAROOVKA

This works if we are as shorty as we are here, because of the dead money in the pot we are getting ideal pot odds to ship, but if our stack was the same as UTG +1, would you ship it as well?

Generally we get more FE at the cost of more pot odds so I would depend on our reads on the limper. If he has a reasonably strong limping range he often stacks off with I'd fold but most of the time I'd just get it in

08-14-2011 , 04:13 PM

penfold

banned

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,279

pmsl @ shoving 5bbs over a limper.

08-14-2011 , 05:45 PM

#10

sopoRific

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 7,225

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAROOVKA

if our stack was the same as UTG +1, would you ship it as well?

I'd rather ship this with a stack equal to UTG+1's instead of with 6 BBs, since there will be quite a bit of FE.

As the hand is presented, I don't think shoving will make UTG+1 fold much, plus there's 4 people left to act who could wake up with a quality hand. Throw in some lolICM factors, and it hard for me to see shoving being positive against all but the most weak-tight players.

08-15-2011 , 08:01 AM

#11

Bobson

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 133

i'd fold

a) he will call us too often with our 6bb and doesnt make that great of a mistake because hes gettin decent odds
b) i rather ship unopened here then with 6bb over a limper with 8 high.

08-15-2011 , 09:30 AM

#12

SandmanNess

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,706

I'm shipping unopened, not over a limper, I don't think the limper is hardly ever folding here even if he isn't trapping, and if he is, it's really bad.

08-15-2011 , 10:53 AM

#13

KromN

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 495

snapfold with limper, snapshove without

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