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river decision JT on AJx-A-J river decision JT on AJx-A-J

04-22-2016 , 09:00 PM
V was a 22/12 over ~20 hands

PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|125/250 Ante 25 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

LP: 8,128.00
CO: 5,421.00
Hero (BTN): 6,483.00
SB: 5,424.00
BB: 570.00
UTG: 5,389.00
UTG+1: 2,323.00
MP: 6,433.00
MP+1: 7,863.00

LP posts ante 25.00, CO posts ante 25.00, Hero posts ante 25.00, SB posts ante 25.00, BB posts ante 25.00, UTG posts ante 25.00, UTG+1 posts ante 25.00, MP posts ante 25.00, MP+1 posts ante 25.00, SB posts SB 125.00, BB posts BB 250.00

Pre Flop: (600.00) Hero has J T

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 500.00, Hero calls 500.00, fold, BB raises to 545.00 and is all-in, CO calls 45.00, Hero calls 45.00

Flop: (1985.00, 3 players) A J 9
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: (1985.00, 3 players) A
CO checks, Hero bets 750.00, CO calls 750.00

River: (3485.00, 3 players) J
CO checks, Hero bets 1,400.00, CO raises to 4,101.00 and is all-in, fold
05-01-2016 , 11:03 AM
I think 3bet shove preflop is fine

As played, would not check flop on this wet board but bet something for value/protection.
As played, would bet turn as you did.
River seem pretty close because it likely he have no ace because his line flop-turn (turn line especially).
I can see him having some more jx/other hands.
I would make crying call on river because his previous action but would not say there something hugely bad to fold and move on and get bigger edge next hands.
Also would not focus on theses river decisions much because they not happen often enough to effect your roi much. On this hand would focus lot more on preflop and flop decision on turn and river ones.

Good luck in games.
05-03-2016 , 08:56 AM
i'd play exactly like you did
05-06-2016 , 05:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamitis
Also would not focus on theses river decisions much because they not happen often enough to effect your roi much. On this hand would focus lot more on preflop and flop decision on turn and river ones.

Good luck in games.
thanks,

not too concerned, just thought it was a fun little spot
05-06-2016 , 07:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamitis
On this hand would focus lot more on preflop and flop decision [rather then] on turn and river ones.
I agree, and this hand made me think on every street, so lets forget the river and discuss pre flop and flop

pre
I think 3b/shove is okay and it's probably +EV. I'd be happy to shove from SB or BB. But we're better poker players and we can outplay post flop.

So lets pretend for a minuite that we decide to play some post flop poker..

flop
It's pretty common at this level to play draws passively, and I can understand trying to make them pay for it here.

I checked for pot control, keep turn bluffs in, and if I win it outright here I could still loose to AI player

**All In Player
it kinda discouraged me from posting this hand bc of the all in player. I hope it doesnt get too much attention. obv you don't usually have a player AI with 2bb so id be rather discuss this hand as tho the player doesn't exist

Spoiler:
V showed down a Jx
05-06-2016 , 08:35 PM
fold pre
05-07-2016 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
fold pre
also an option but a very dull one
05-07-2016 , 04:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SomeInternetKid
flop
It's pretty common at this level to play draws passively, and I can understand trying to make them pay for it here.

I checked for pot control, keep turn bluffs in, and if I win it outright here I could still loose to AI player

**All In Player
it kinda discouraged me from posting this hand bc of the all in player. I hope it doesnt get too much attention. obv you don't usually have a player AI with 2bb so id be rather discuss this hand as tho the player doesn't exist

Spoiler:
V showed down a Jx
Here is information you know.
1)2.50 game (tendencies for players in that level)
2)20 hands on player

Why you think player will have turn bluffing range?
Do you think players make more calling or betting mistakes?

I just don't think you should focus on not getting exploited vs bluffing ranges in passive games (because there often is none) and focus on getting max value from they calling mistakes (way more).
05-07-2016 , 06:24 AM
I think you played it fin up to the river.
Pre flop can be profitable shove with 20+% of your stack up for grabs, assuming you beat BB and CO folds. But J10s is a nice hand to play in position so I quite like a call too. Villain dependent I think.
The river question is quite interesting I think. If you're betting for value what is your target? You may get some calls from Kx but what worse hands are calling? Bet isnt big enough to get someone off the chop either. So question if river is a check behind?
As played I am never folding here. Dont see how Villain can have an Ace after checking flop and turn.

      
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