Student's hand. Would be interested in comments on all streets.

Poker Stars $3.19+$0.31 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t4000/t8000 Blinds + t800 - 9 players
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SB: t102615 M = 5.34
BB: t64280 M = 3.35
UTG: t113365 M = 5.90
Hero (UTG+1): t163072 M = 8.49
UTG+2: t24710 M = 1.29
MP1: t56666 M = 2.95
MP2: t135780 M = 7.07
CO: t173016 M = 9.01
BTN: t31996 M = 1.67

Pre Flop: (t19200) Hero is UTG+1 with T Q
1 fold, Hero raises to t16000, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t32000, 4 folds, Hero calls t16000

Flop: (t83200) 8 K 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

Turn: (t83200) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t16000, Hero calls t16000

River: (t115200) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t24000, Hero folds

fold pre?

I'd say flop is good,
turn i'd prob lead out

(not an expert...)

raising to begin with is ok (but not mandatory)
as played fold to the 3bet for sure
as played turn is whatever, ppl dont really 3b light esp if u have no reads that he does and when he checks back he is prob either trapping with something nutted or maybe has like QQ/TT. in other words i don't really like leading as i dont expect a fold often, altho i also dont expect a raise often and its somewhat a block bet/allows you to get a cheaper river sometimes + pot will be bigger when we hit one of our many outs. once we check, calling at this price is obv fine.

river is fine.

Seems a decent flop to lead out small if you still have any intentions in a hand. As played, check/shove turn for sure. His bet screams weakness, even when called, still many outs.

leading flop is pretty bad and fishy, think it's a significant mistake.
c/s turn is possibly an option but i don't really like it when we are getting such a good price to just flat

Not fishy if you know how to play post-flop. Flatting is ok, but a pretty weak play here, imo. The villain doesnt show any strenght, taking the pot right now seems a better option.

I like the min raise open, but would fold to the 3 bet. Flop obv fine, I think donk bet is pretty weak as an option. Turn and river are fine, although I don't hate the shove on the turn play. I would want some kind of read to make it tho.

wtf? lol so you flat a 3b oop then donk the driest flop imagineable and you say this is the line to take "if you know how to play postflop?" no offence but what dude????

and yeah turn is somewhat preferencial, as said crai is prob fine but there's not much an unknown 3bets pre and folds to the shove on the turn after taking this line from experience.

First of all, ok, why not? And I dont say to take any line, you can do whatever you want here, I see many ways to play the hand. I see a possibilty to lead out on flop, but you dont have to do it and I dont do it everytime myself either.

start by identifying a likely range for a villain with the information we have, when he 3-bets
what are you trying to do by leading? fold out qq, jj? aq? etc.

Next question: villain showed his hand. Can you guess his exact hand?

thats kinda pointless isnt it? it could be anything, if he had 42o it doesnt really matter/change my opinion about anything i said ("results orientated)

Not a reflection on what you said. I guessed his hand correctly before seeing the result.

i know, i was just saying unless you are doing it for fun it's kinda pointless imo, meh. lol i guess other than random spazzes this will be something like qq/aj most often

Its just a fraction of a possible range we dont know. What information? I dont see any reads or stats. I dont call a 3bet just to hit, I want to win the hand after investing so much and I will exploit every weakness shown to do that. I dont argue calling a 3bet, especially when your goal is just to hit the nuts or fold.


Since he showed, its prob KK. By the way he played it, I could put him on QJ, even though its unlikely since we have a Q.

yea i meant information as lack thereof
without any further info its on average unlikely villain 3bets us light, or with random stuff like qj etc. on avg qq jj aq (in that order of likeliness basically) are a pretty big % of villains range as his entire range is pretty small to begin with. yes he CAN/will show up with random stuff sometimes, but on avg his range is just tight. thats the point. yes, if u flat u dont want to just play 100% fit or fold (and this hand is a fairly clear fold pre btw) but donking a dry board into a (until we have info to tell us otherwise) likely tight range which almost nothing will fold makes no sense and is just bad basically.

Ok, lets say you are in the MP2 here with QQ,JJ,AQ or whatever range you think is possible. Whats your play if the opponent donks the flop?

it doesnt matter what -i- would do, you have to think what the avg villain based on what info (or lack thereof, once again) would do. they are rarely folding any of those hands. unless you bet huge. which is silly.
he maybe folds his air, and if you think he has a lot then other plays such as c/r (even if you dont rep much it doesnt matter as fish dont understand what you rep etc) would be better alternatives. but main problem is we cant assume he will have much, if any air in his range

Even if he flats, I dont see it as a big problem. We took a shot to win a huge pot, we can still hit, like we did on turn and we can still bluff if he shows the lack of strenght.

Villain minreraises preflop and then checks a Kxx,r flop, which should be perfect for cbetting. He bets tiny on the turn. If he 3-bet light or hand AQ, he would likely cbet this flop. The hand I mentioned he might have and which he showed was KK. Villain's play is highly suspicious.

OTT, is might be possible to open shove as well as CRAI with a strong draw, but I think villain usually is strong and is not folding.

Think initial raise preflop is marginal. Not sure I like it that much in early position. Thought the call of the 3-bet was interesting. Not sure it is as bad as Clay said given the great immediate pot odds and the type of hand we have.

Donking the flop is lol, as it is a good flop for JJ+/AK. Also, villain is expected to cbet, so your lead is strange and a good player could raise you with air.

Yes, he could, but how often does he do that? Anyway, I will not argue with such a good player as you are sir, if you think its lol bad and nobody else agree with me then it probably is. Cheers.

It is bad.. Fish won't really necessarily raise you with air but the problem is on average they don't have much if any here