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08-19-2016 , 09:57 PM

wanderer_pro

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Poker Stars, $1.35 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37417928

MP1: 28,614 (47.7 bb)
MP2: 5,058 (8.4 bb)
Hero (MP3): 15,847 (26.4 bb)
CO: 12,069 (20.1 bb)
BTN: 28,481 (47.5 bb)
SB: 24,014 (40 bb)
BB: 12,138 (20.2 bb)
UTG+2: 8,779 (14.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,200, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 3,121, 4 folds, MP1 calls 1,921

Flop: (7,542) 8

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets 2,639, MP1 calls 2,639

Turn: (12,820) K

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

River: (12,820) 3

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

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OR is a 17/15/9 reg. I played that super bad. As played, do you think beting turn or river is best here and why? We obv dont get 3 steets vs reg unless he's a spewtard.

08-20-2016 , 05:59 AM

mico93

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if you want to bet a second time, I would prefer the river, as you maybe could induce some bluffs

08-21-2016 , 05:31 PM

Robinho2611

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mico93

if you want to bet a second time, I would prefer the river, as you maybe could induce some bluffs

I agree!

As played, bet the river small (1/3 pot). I like your preflop and flop sizing by the way.

08-21-2016 , 07:31 PM

wanderer_pro

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thank you

08-22-2016 , 11:55 AM

Corpsey

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Could even check back this flop here. As played bet/check/small bet seems fine for some thin value.

08-24-2016 , 02:59 AM

LektorAJ

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After he checks river your QQ is good here almost all the time. You need to bet small enough to actually get called by something like A high though.

08-25-2016 , 06:31 AM

URagnatha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LektorAJ

After he checks river your QQ is good here almost all the time. You need to bet small enough to actually get called by something like A high though.

Do you think we can get called by ace high? OP 3 bet pre (with 4 players left to act) so presumably his range is some pairs and good Ax even kq is ahead of ace high on river.

I feels to me like we are almost always ahead at river as played but the check doesn't really miss value as there is nothing worse that can call us.

Last edited by URagnatha; 08-25-2016 at 06:32 AM. Reason: spelling

08-25-2016 , 02:16 PM

d5t6y7

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Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 236

It's worth betting the river because QQ is so likely to be good. We may not get called by A high, but we can very likely get called by 44-77.

08-26-2016 , 04:26 AM

nomalice

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Quote:

Originally Posted by d5t6y7

It's worth betting the river because QQ is so likely to be good. We may not get called by A high, but we can very likely get called by 44-77.

+1 on that

and we can have some bluffs with that line AQ AJ etc... i would bet 35-40% otr here, it looks kind of bluffy as he will rearly expect us to bet TT-QQ

08-26-2016 , 05:36 AM

#10

rickyt88

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It looks like a spot where checking back or betting small like 3k and folding to a shove are both fine and I wouldn't worry about it too much.
You don't have the stack to triple you just shove any decent turn. I think turn is standard check and river is a bit awkward since you only have 10K left in 12K pot and the fact that he is 17/15 tells me he doesn't flat much so he could potentially be trapping AA, KK. Your QQ blockers are somewhat relevant since it's unlikely but he might float KQs, QJs , QTs with backdoor flushdraws and you block 2/3 backdoor flushdraws.

08-26-2016 , 01:07 PM

#11

LektorAJ

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3K at the most. I'd maybe even go 2K here.

08-26-2016 , 01:25 PM

#12

URagnatha

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Do any of you have any river rc hands that you bet 2 - 3 K with. If so what are they?

08-26-2016 , 02:32 PM

#13

LektorAJ

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^ I would play the effective nuts that way. My sizing here is in response to his range not to my specific hand.

The question is what nut hands check behind turn and then can call off river. Certainly I can see myself playing AA that way sometimes. Maybe a strong K or a weak 8 might do that too.

But there's maybe not much so we might be exploitable.

08-27-2016 , 04:59 PM

#14

Uhrenknecht

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That's a spot where I also 100% say that you might bet the river but often I miss it too. Scare cards when your enemy is showing 0% aggression, how could it scare you.

08-27-2016 , 07:37 PM

#15

URagnatha

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht

That's a spot where I also 100% say that you might bet the river but often I miss it too. Scare cards when your enemy is showing 0% aggression, how could it scare you.

You've lost me. Can you clarify?

08-30-2016 , 03:15 AM

#16

Priccc

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I wouldn't bet the river but i could see that. opp could call us off 44-77 also 99 but i don't think we will see a call here to often.

08-30-2016 , 05:59 PM

#17

LektorAJ

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^ We won't see a call that often, but whether he folds to our bet or loses at showdown is irrelevant. The question is, will we a) get called by worse more often than b) we get called (or raised) by better? - with c) adjustment for the few times we lose our bet and the whole pot to a bluff raise.

I think c) is negligible and a) is bigger than b), so it's a bet.

08-31-2016 , 03:23 AM

#18

Priccc

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^ I see your point of view. So lets say we decide betting the river. What sizing would you take? 3-4k? since even 4.5k would look to big IMO.

08-31-2016 , 03:59 AM

#19

LektorAJ

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More like 2K-3K - so he has to call A high.

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