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Old 12-28-2013, 01:27 PM   #26
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Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

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Its heavy board, I dont want to give him free draw card, his range is wide and he coulde have some kind of draw hand and if he hits something I will hang myself. At end I decided to fold, question is how many times this play would be a good play, I fold and left behind 10 BB, its hard for me later to get a real hand and I will go bust soon, that happens I jam 44 SB and BB call AK, flop XXX, turn X, river K and I finished 4place. And I ask myself what play was better, KJ or 44 spot, "what if" I play different thoose hands, maybe I would finish 2 or 1 place.
What if, is not the way to think about it You could've folded AA preflop in the right spot and saved yourself a lot of money. It's all about making the right decision, regardless of the result.

Your J is never going to be good, or ahead by much at all, after someone 4-bets on the flop. I understand why you made the min re-raise though. 10 big blinds is very playable in my opinion . You just got unlucky this time, but if you keep making profitable plays you'll end up being a long-term winner; which is what you want.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:05 PM   #27
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Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

I understand game theory, but sometimes it seems to me that these little details distinguish differents between good and great poker player.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:24 PM   #28
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I understand game theory, but sometimes it seems to me that these little details distinguish differents between good and great poker player.
From my experience, I've seen that simple ABC poker is the most succesful in MTTSNG's. You're going to be shortstacked a lot of the time, and decisions are going to be more obvious most of the time. There's not much levelling and deep thinking involved in jam/fold strategy. Whenever you're in a close spot, try to figure out if a move is profitable or not. This is not always easy, but as you become more experienced, it'll come more naturally. Also, you've taken a great step to share tough spots with a community to help you out. At the small stakes, when you make the right decision most of the time, it will still be profitable. It is helpful to join in discussions and rationalize for yourself why you make each move.
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Old 12-29-2013, 10:03 AM   #29
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Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

nice start of the day, #sundaygrind



    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21959171

    CO: 2,010 (100.5 bb)
    BTN: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 1,480 (74 bb)
    BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP1: 1,080 (54 bb)
    MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP3: 1,440 (72 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
    UTG+1 calls 20, 4 folds, CO raises to 60, BTN calls 60, Hero raises to 280, 2 folds, CO calls 220, BTN folds

    Flop: (660) A 4 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets 660, Hero folds

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    Old 12-29-2013, 10:54 AM   #30
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    Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

    push or fold spot ! v stats - 61/27/ 12 - 3bet








      Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (50/100 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21959301

      Hero (MP1): 2,080 (20.8 bb)
      MP2: 3,967 (39.7 bb)
      MP3: 15,480 (154.8 bb)
      CO: 5,967 (59.7 bb)
      BTN: 1,235 (12.4 bb)
      SB: 1,530 (15.3 bb)
      BB: 2,981 (29.8 bb)
      UTG+2: 7,447 (74.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 8
      UTG+2 folds, Hero raises to 200, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to 750, 4 folds, Hero raises to 2,080 and is all-in, MP3 calls 1,330

      Flop: (4,310) 2 5 Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (4,310) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (4,310) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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      Old 12-29-2013, 11:13 AM   #31
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      Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

      Fold, the best you can hope for is that you're in a flip. He's never folding and considering his raising size, he's barely ever weak here.

      Gobsmacked to see A7o lol. You've only put 2 blinds in the pot, and I don't see a reason to risk your tournament life here with 20 bigs.
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      Old 12-29-2013, 11:39 AM   #32
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      Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

      how about this, he is one of the best regs in this stakes.



        Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21959341

        CO: 4,620 (23.1 bb)
        BTN: 18,101 (90.5 bb)
        SB: 4,739 (23.7 bb)
        Hero (BB): 5,495 (27.5 bb)
        UTG+1: 4,640 (23.2 bb)
        UTG+2: 4,230 (21.2 bb)
        MP1: 3,910 (19.6 bb)
        MP2: 1,891 (9.5 bb)
        MP3: 2,573 (12.9 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with Q Q
        5 folds, CO raises to 400, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1,290, CO raises to 4,620 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,330

        Flop: (9,340) 3 8 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: (9,340) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (9,340) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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        this stake.
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        Old 12-30-2013, 09:57 PM   #33
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        Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

        Fold the 88 hand

        ^ QQ above standard
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        Old 12-31-2013, 09:07 AM   #34
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        Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

        So I should fold 20bb 88 vs super loose fish, and to call 27.5 bb QQ vs super nity reg, I make this plays becouse I have a read on my opponents, but I think best way is to fold both hands, nity reg is not pushing 23bb w air, JJ+ AKs hands only, but I had history w him so I call QQ, in other spot I would fold.
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        Old 12-31-2013, 10:24 AM   #35
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        Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

        Didnt see the high 3bet stat with the 8's. How many hands have you got on him? What range do you put him on 3betting from MP3? I doubt these weigh up so its still a fold

        QQ still super standard vs that stack size
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        Old 01-02-2014, 02:15 PM   #36
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        Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

        10 players left... push or fold ?



          Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22023401

          BTN: 25,181 (25.2 bb)
          SB: 31,956 (32 bb)
          BB: 17,108 (17.1 bb)
          MP: 42,006 (42 bb)
          Hero (CO): 19,746 (19.7 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 8
          MP folds, Hero raises to 2,000, BTN raises to 6,000, 2 folds, Hero raises to 19,646 and is all-in, BTN calls 13,646

          Flop: (41,292) 5 3 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          Turn: (41,292) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
          River: (41,292) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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          Old 01-02-2014, 03:23 PM   #37
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          Re: Push or fold? 4.50$ 180 man

          Every time that this situation occured, he showed up with a big pair. I'm always fold AQ in this situation. I think that his thought process is this: I have a hand that I want to play but I don't want to be outdrawn. So he raises a very big amount (he never folds) but he hopes to get some action. IMO this is JJ, QQ most of the time. I don't care wheather he has other hands in his range. I keep my decisions simple in this spot. Especially in the final table.
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          Old 01-04-2014, 11:14 AM   #38
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            Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22086161

            BTN: 6,338 (21.1 bb)
            Hero (SB): 4,340 (14.5 bb)
            BB: 5,430 (18.1 bb)
            UTG+2: 2,695 (9 bb)
            MP1: 4,605 (15.4 bb)
            MP2: 7,205 (24 bb)
            MP3: 2,310 (7.7 bb)
            CO: 2,385 (8 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
            UTG+2 raises to 2,670 and is all-in, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 2,670, 5 folds

            Flop: (5,990) J 5 T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            Turn: (5,990) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (5,990) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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            Old 01-04-2014, 12:59 PM   #39
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              Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #22086591

              BTN: 3,109 (12.4 bb)
              SB: 12,895 (51.6 bb)
              BB: 11,329 (45.3 bb)
              UTG+1: 7,675 (30.7 bb)
              UTG+2: 3,335 (13.3 bb)
              MP1: 12,449 (49.8 bb)
              Hero (MP2): 5,038 (20.2 bb)
              MP3: 6,348 (25.4 bb)
              CO: 6,998 (28 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A A
              3 folds, Hero raises to 500, 4 folds, BB calls 250

              Flop: (1,350) 4 7 K (2 players)
              BB bets 250, Hero raises to 750, BB calls 500

              Turn: (2,850) 3 (2 players)
              BB checks, Hero bets 1,500, BB raises to 3,000, Hero raises to 3,763 and is all-in, BB calls 763

              River: (10,376) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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              Old 01-06-2014, 12:12 PM   #40
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              This is not bbv post, only for fun!

              Guess what! I lose this hand

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