Thoughts on turn x/r? Do you prefer just leading turn


also when we x/r and get flatted by both spots 2p starts to look not as pretty

i saw the board get a little wet and wanted to try and bloat the pot as much as i could before more scare cards came. Once the 6 fell i thought i was already committed having less than 50% psb left. Can we check fold here or is our hand too strong considering the pot odds we'll be getting?

Check call could make sense too since we can induce a bluff from hearts that missed or oesd combos of JT that are now air otr. iunno if he gets to the river with all of these though

betting definately seems like the worse play in my opinion, wat u guys think?

Lead flop with all your strong value here, so all sets and 2 pair hands, because you're 4 way, someone is always calling and you give a hand like AK or KQ a chance to stack off now, or at least get a pot built up. When you check, it's going to get checked around too much because no one ever bluffs into a 4 way pot. Also it is unlikely that you're ever up against a set since you have both a K and an 8 in your hand.

Lead turn for all reasons stated above.

Check fold river because you are certainly crushed. If you're determined to call it off, at least check and then call so someone can bluff, playing it this way only gets calls from hands that beat you.

The rule of thumb is if you get to the river and you don't know what to do, you probably made a mistake earlier in the hand and you should start there.

Maybe my question comes from the fact that I am beginner, but...

How is he crushed on the river if we assume he should lead the turn since he is mostly ahead of others? If we check the river it allows others to bluff which I wouldn't be surprised to see on those stakes, where people don't bluff only on scare cards.

IMO lead the turn, they will call with flush draws and c/f river only when spade or heart comes. Isn't it possible they will try to bluff catch you with a pair?

He is mostly ahead on the turn. He is crushed on the river based on the play from the turn. He checked raised and got 2 callers and the river was terrible. (the 6 makes 4 to a straight on the board)
I said what he should do on the river based on how HE played the turn. If you lead turn and get raised we can reevalute based on the person raising and their sizing. But generally speaking you very rarely get raised here if you just lead the turn. But even this line is against what is optimal, which is leading flop. If you lead flop the entire hand plays out differently and becomes much easier to play.

People VERY VERY rarely bluff rivers that are 3 way when there's 4 to straight or 4 to a flush on board, it's value nearly every time. Point being, no one is calling his shove on that board 3 way with less than a set, so he never gets called by worse, which is the definition of value bet, and he doesn't get better to fold, which is the definition of bluff. If we aren't betting for value and we aren't betting as a bluff, then why are we betting?

Lead flop and use a big sizing.

Makes sense, thanks for explaining!