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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
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235 34.92%
No
413 61.37%
Other (post comment)
25 3.71%

06-01-2011 , 06:02 PM
shove
06-02-2011 , 12:06 PM
Sng's on stars down a fiew hours now. Anyone knows whats going on? There is no issues with scheduled or cash games.
06-02-2011 , 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramyano
Hi,

what's better here a shove or a fold?


    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9612242

    MP1: 6,036 (10.1 bb)
    MP2: 17,167 (28.6 bb)
    MP3: 14,991 (25 bb)
    CO: 8,412 (14 bb)
    BTN: 15,930 (26.6 bb)
    SB: 9,150 (15.3 bb)
    BB: 4,647 (7.7 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): 7,389 (12.3 bb)
    UTG+2: 13,478 (22.5 bb)

    Preflop: (450) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 8
    Hero raises to 7,339 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP2 calls 7,339, 5 folds

    Flop: (16,028) 7 3 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (16,028) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (16,028) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    Allin
    06-03-2011 , 07:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Beny
    What do you think about this hand?

    (VPIP/PFR/3bet/hand)

    MP1:16/16/NA/12
    BTN:16/11/4/89
    SB:67/33/33/6


    PokerStars - $4.10+$0.40|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    SB: 1,840.00
    Hero (BB): 1,470.00
    UTG: 1,470.00
    UTG+1: 1,470.00
    MP: 2,045.00
    MP+1: 1,470.00
    CO: 1,470.00
    BTN: 3,735.00

    SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

    Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has J J

    fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 100.00, fold, BTN calls 100.00, SB raises to 300.00, Hero ?
    fold if you like money
    06-03-2011 , 07:48 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by rondecuba2
    second or third hand, no reads, villain open shoves 84BB's




      Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
      UTG+2: 1,640 (82 bb)
      MP1: 1,680 (84 bb)
      MP2: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
      MP3: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
      Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
      BTN: 2,930 (146.5 bb)
      SB: 1,410 (70.5 bb)
      BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
      2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,680 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

      fold
      06-03-2011 , 07:49 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by CarlosMOT
        Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9542102

        SB: 10,327 (12.9 bb)
        BB: 13,722 (17.2 bb)
        MP1: 5,435 (6.8 bb)
        Hero (MP2): 9,518 (11.9 bb)
        MP3: 14,686 (18.4 bb)
        CO: 17,484 (21.9 bb)
        BTN: 7,244 (9.1 bb)

        Preflop: (525) Hero is MP2 with 5 5
        MP1 raises to 5,360 and is all-in, Hero raises to 9,443 and is all-in, 5 folds

        Flop: (12,445) Q Q 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: (12,445) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: (12,445) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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        Is this a reshove here? MP is a 180 reg so should be wide with under 7bbs but a lot of players behind.
        i fold
        06-03-2011 , 07:54 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by unrealread
        vilain seems good here
        stats: 22/9/35

        close spot isnt it? I have 12BB yeah.. But is he doing this with AJ? The blinds are small here



          Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9597452

          UTG+2: 3,091 (20.6 bb)
          MP1: 2,437 (16.2 bb)
          MP2: 2,258 (15.1 bb)
          MP3: 3,363 (22.4 bb)
          CO: 5,071 (33.8 bb)
          BTN: 3,924 (26.2 bb)
          SB: 7,148 (47.7 bb)
          Hero (BB): 1,809 (12.1 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
          2 folds, MP2 raises to 2,258 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 1,659 and is all-in

          Spoiler:
          Results: 3,693 pot
          MP2 mucked and lost (-1,809 net)
          Hero mucked A Q and lost (-1,809 net)



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          dont hate a call but against a 22/9 EP shove with pre ante, I would edge the fold. Flipping at best and who likes calling off for flips here?
          06-03-2011 , 03:11 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Leedslad
          i fold
          Yeah 12bb, althought we 'may' be flipping, we can find netter spots.

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Leedslad
          fold if you like money
          Non Turbo i take it, def folding this without strong reads, id be more worried about the 5x from the 16/12 than the SB 3).

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Leedslad
          fold
          wat, gtfo

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Leedslad
          dont hate a call but against a 22/9 EP shove with pre ante, I would edge the fold. Flipping at best and who likes calling off for flips here?
          Turbo's are all about flipping Gareth, stop being a nit.
          06-04-2011 , 08:28 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Syker12

          Turbo's are all about flipping
          learn about FE imo. Go and find some "netter" spots and after that gtfo
          06-04-2011 , 06:07 PM
          vilain is unknown....



            Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9642032

            UTG+2: 2,950 (59 bb)
            MP1: 1,625 (32.5 bb)
            MP2: 7,691 (153.8 bb)
            MP3: 1,715 (34.3 bb)
            Hero (CO): 1,565 (31.3 bb)
            BTN: 3,580 (71.6 bb)
            SB: 1,625 (32.5 bb)
            BB: 1,805 (36.1 bb)
            UTG+1: 5,405 (108.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
            UTG+1 raises to 100, 4 folds, Hero raises to 350, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to 950

            Spoiler:
            Results: 775 pot
            Hero mucked J J and lost (-350 net)
            UTG+1 mucked and lost (-350 net)



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            06-04-2011 , 06:36 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by unrealread
            vilain is unknown....



              Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9642032

              UTG+2: 2,950 (59 bb)
              MP1: 1,625 (32.5 bb)
              MP2: 7,691 (153.8 bb)
              MP3: 1,715 (34.3 bb)
              Hero (CO): 1,565 (31.3 bb)
              BTN: 3,580 (71.6 bb)
              SB: 1,625 (32.5 bb)
              BB: 1,805 (36.1 bb)
              UTG+1: 5,405 (108.1 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
              UTG+1 raises to 100, 4 folds, Hero raises to 350, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to 950

              Spoiler:
              Results: 775 pot
              Hero mucked J J and lost (-350 net)
              UTG+1 mucked and lost (-350 net)



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              After you 3bet you have to get it in. With hud stats you can just flat jJ against a reg and play post flop here... but I'm 3bet getting it in vs a random all day long at 25/50+ so call off and gl
              06-05-2011 , 10:47 AM
              Question for all the Euros, and CADs out there.. What are the 45 man sngs like these days with the USA players gone? Softer, much softer, same worse?
              06-06-2011 , 01:18 AM
              Some quick checkups.. both from $26/45s on FTP

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              NL Holdem $80(BB) Replayer
              SB ($2,875)
              BB ($2,340)
              UTG ($4,432)
              Hero ($1,240)
              UTG+2 ($1,486)
              MP1 ($2,688)
              MP2 ($1,889)
              CO ($6,170)
              BTN ($7,500)

              Dealt to Hero 6 6

              fold, Hero?


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              Villain is 12/12/inf over 30 hands

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              NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
              SB ($1,325)
              Hero ($1,395)
              UTG ($1,605)
              UTG+1 ($2,895)
              UTG+2 ($1,455)
              MP1 ($2,125)
              CO ($1,545)
              BTN ($1,155)

              Dealt to Hero J A

              fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $20, Hero raises to $140, SB calls $100

              FLOP ($280) 8 9 4

              SB bets $280, Hero?
              06-06-2011 , 02:23 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by pukerz
              Some quick checkups.. both from $26/45s on FTP

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              NL Holdem $80(BB) Replayer
              SB ($2,875)
              BB ($2,340)
              UTG ($4,432)
              Hero ($1,240)
              UTG+2 ($1,486)
              MP1 ($2,688)
              MP2 ($1,889)
              CO ($6,170)
              BTN ($7,500)

              Dealt to Hero 6 6

              fold, Hero?


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              Villain is 12/12/inf over 30 hands

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              NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
              SB ($1,325)
              Hero ($1,395)
              UTG ($1,605)
              UTG+1 ($2,895)
              UTG+2 ($1,455)
              MP1 ($2,125)
              CO ($1,545)
              BTN ($1,155)

              Dealt to Hero J A

              fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $20, Hero raises to $140, SB calls $100

              FLOP ($280) 8 9 4

              SB bets $280, Hero?
              fold both imo
              06-08-2011 , 10:27 AM
              hey just curious what you guys think is a good ROI and sample size for stars turbo 45man sngs?
              06-08-2011 , 06:41 PM
              The following 2 hands are both pushes from 1.50/45s on stars. First hand is on finaltable, and the 2nd is from the mid somewhere. What do you think?

              Was also wondering if someone could run the first hand in sng wiz with optimal ranges and let me know the result. I got an sng program and want to know if it gave me the correct result.


              1:
                Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9671792

                BB: 13,101 (6.6 bb)
                Hero (MP): 12,715 (6.4 bb)
                : 5,485 (2.7 bb)
                BTN: 2,911 (1.5 bb)
                SB: 33,288 (16.6 bb)

                Preflop: (500) Hero is MP with K 8
                Hero raises to 12,615 and is all-in




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                2:
                  Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (100/200 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9671802

                  BTN: 1,490 (7.5 bb)
                  SB: 6,122 (30.6 bb)
                  BB: 3,278 (16.4 bb)
                  UTG+2: 5,310 (26.6 bb)
                  MP1: 6,205 (31 bb)
                  MP2: 3,875 (19.4 bb)
                  Hero (MP3): 1,135 (5.7 bb)
                  : 10,242 (51.2 bb)

                  Preflop: (200) Hero is MP3 with 8 6
                  3 folds, Hero raises to 1,110 and is all-in




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                  06-09-2011 , 10:13 AM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by pukerz
                  Some quick checkups.. both from $26/45s on FTP

                  Grabbed by Holdem Manager
                  NL Holdem $80(BB) Replayer
                  SB ($2,875)
                  BB ($2,340)
                  UTG ($4,432)
                  Hero ($1,240)
                  UTG+2 ($1,486)
                  MP1 ($2,688)
                  MP2 ($1,889)
                  CO ($6,170)
                  BTN ($7,500)

                  Dealt to Hero 6 6

                  fold, Hero?


                  ---

                  Villain is 12/12/inf over 30 hands

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                  NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
                  SB ($1,325)
                  Hero ($1,395)
                  UTG ($1,605)
                  UTG+1 ($2,895)
                  UTG+2 ($1,455)
                  MP1 ($2,125)
                  CO ($1,545)
                  BTN ($1,155)

                  Dealt to Hero J A

                  fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $20, Hero raises to $140, SB calls $100

                  FLOP ($280) 8 9 4

                  SB bets $280, Hero?
                  like shoving the first one, prob shove 55 as well fold 44, am i miles off

                  2nd fold
                  06-09-2011 , 11:52 AM
                  Can somebody tell me what is a good ROI at the micro (3.5$) 18-Man?
                  06-09-2011 , 12:25 PM
                  [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9674632

                  MP3: 3,300 (8.3 bb)
                  CO: 7,663 (19.2 bb)
                  Hero (BTN): 4,425 (11.1 bb)
                  SB: 6,457 (16.1 bb)
                  BB: 2,285 (5.7 bb)
                  MP1: 1,805 (4.5 bb)
                  MP2: 5,995 (15 bb)

                  Preflop: (175) Hero is BTN with 4 4
                  MP1 raises to 1,780 and is all-in, 3 folds, Hero ,


                  vs 24/0 21hands
                  06-10-2011 , 03:35 PM
                  I'm fairly inexperienced with mttsngs, but I've been playing $3.30 90 Man double stack turbo KOs on FT for a little while with some success (ROI around 30% over nearly 500 games) but with FT's situation and their drop in traffic, which has significantly hindered this format's volume capabilities, I've been looking to move mostly to pokerstars at least until FT is in a more stable situation.

                  The stars 90 man KOs seem to progress too slow for me, yet the 180 man turbos seem like they turn into shovefests real quick. I've been trying to get a handle on the 180 mans but am getting murdered in them over a sample of around 300 games. I've read a decent amount of the "best of" threads and the FAQs and am unsure what to do, should I just give up on them and try other things? I'm really at a loss what to do because they seem fairly easy but I can't even come close to profiting so far.
                  06-11-2011 , 09:32 AM
                  300 games is no sample size to base anything off. Keep grinding them IMO.

                  If you can beat the $3.30 90 mans on FTP I'm sure you could beat the $2 180 mans on Stars
                  06-13-2011 , 11:20 PM
                    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (100/200 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9701042

                    MP2: 3,827 (19.1 bb)
                    MP3: 2,255 (11.3 bb)
                    CO: 960 (4.8 bb)
                    BTN: 2,990 (15 bb)
                    SB: 9,180 (45.9 bb)
                    BB: 2,880 (14.4 bb)
                    Hero (UTG+2): 1,165 (5.8 bb)
                    MP1: 2,113 (10.6 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q J
                    [color="red"]Hero



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                    In a vacuum* - what should we do here?





                    * I don't know if this the correct usage - I just wanted to sound smart.
                    06-14-2011 , 03:52 AM
                    we should first remove "[color="red"]" from the post, then we should shove.
                    06-15-2011 , 11:46 AM
                    45man final table. Is this an alright shove, or should it be some kind of ICM fold?


                      Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9709202

                      UTG+1: 14,017 (17.5 bb)
                      Hero (UTG+2): 6,915 (8.6 bb)
                      MP1: 7,719 (9.6 bb)
                      MP2: 5,852 (7.3 bb)
                      MP3: 5,255 (6.6 bb)
                      CO: 3,299 (4.1 bb)
                      BTN: 4,860 (6.1 bb)
                      SB: 10,669 (13.3 bb)
                      BB: 8,914 (11.1 bb)

                      Preflop: (450) Hero is UTG+2 with 8 K
                      UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 6,865 and is all-in, 3 folds, CO calls 3,249 and is all-in, 3 folds

                      Flop: (8,148) 7 7 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                      Turn: (8,148) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                      River: (8,148) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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                      06-15-2011 , 07:46 PM
                        Poker Stars, $32.13 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9710082

                        Hero (BTN): 72,262 (24.1 bb)
                        SB: 19,882 (6.6 bb)
                        BB: 27,230 (9.1 bb)
                        MP: 77,488 (25.8 bb)
                        CO: 73,138 (24.4 bb)

                        Preflop: (1,500) Hero is BTN with J J
                        MP raises to 7,845, CO folds, Hero ???



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                        Final table of a $35 180 turbo

                        I think folding is out of the equation, so, whats the better option? Call or shove?

                              
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