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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
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235 34.92%
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413 61.37%
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25 3.71%

05-22-2011 , 11:20 PM
SB: 83,937 (12 bb)
BB: 8,996 (1.3 bb)
MP1: 141,720 (20.2 bb)
MP2: 320,227 (45.7 bb)
MP3: 72,906 (10.4 bb)
CO: 90,825 (13 bb)
Hero (BTN): 55,389 (7.9 bb)

Preflop: (4,900) Hero is BTN with A T
3 folds, CO raises to 21,000, [color="red"]Hero ???

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Fold? Shove? It's like the 3rd or 4th hand of the ft so no reads
05-22-2011 , 11:22 PM
    Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9521882

    SB: 83,937 (12 bb)
    BB: 8,996 (1.3 bb)
    MP1: 141,720 (20.2 bb)
    MP2: 320,227 (45.7 bb)
    MP3: 72,906 (10.4 bb)
    CO: 90,825 (13 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 55,389 (7.9 bb)

    Preflop: (4,900) Hero is BTN with A T
    3 folds, CO raises to 21,000, Hero ???




    Fold? Shove? It's like the 3rd or 4th hand of the ft so no reads

    Last edited by LebreMan; 05-22-2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason: just saw it's like 11th hand lol, still, no reads, sorry about the double post too :s
    05-23-2011 , 10:24 PM
      Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9527872

      BTN: 2,060 (8.2 bb)
      Hero (SB): 7,079 (28.3 bb)
      BB: 3,060 (12.2 bb)
      UTG+2: 7,460 (29.8 bb)
      MP1: 4,765 (19.1 bb)
      MP2: 1,840 (7.4 bb)
      MP3: 7,807 (31.2 bb)
      CO: 6,400 (25.6 bb)

      Preflop: (200) Hero is SB with J J
      UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to 4,740 and is all-in, 3 folds, BTN calls 2,035 and is all-in, Hero calls 4,615, BB calls 2,785 and is all-in

      Flop: (14,750) 4 Q K (4 players, 3 are all-in)
      Turn: (14,750) 9 (4 players, 3 are all-in)
      River: (14,750) 4 (4 players, 3 are all-in)

      Results: 14,750 pot
      Final Board: 4 Q K 9 4
      BTN showed Q A and won 2,780 (720 net)
      Hero showed J J and lost (-4,765 net)
      BB showed Q A and won 4,280 (1,220 net)
      MP1 showed A Q and won 7,690 (2,925 net)



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      ugh...
      05-24-2011 , 10:43 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by coinflipper
      I never would use icm for pre ft, was just making sure i wasnt crazy.

      i typically use .1 edgec for the games i usually play, so that looks to be about the same.

      how do you determine what is the a sufficient number of chips in the Diff for it to be worth it? like where do you set the line, more then 1/4 bb, more then 1bb or what?
      Sorry for the slow reply. In cEV mode, I just leave EdgeC on 0.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by rubens
      Hey guys, my first post so be gentle. Ive just stated playing 1$ 45 man turbos , but it seems that I get shortstacked at every tour and I seem to fold to much.When I push something like AJ, AQ, I face usually AK.
      Maybe I should start shove sooner maybe when i have15bbs?
      Tnx
      Welcome to the forums. Your question is too general to give a good, specific answer, but the answer is probably "yes." I'd suggest posting hands where you're not sure about where to shove and where to fold, and flipping through this thread to look for hands with similar situations (for instance, here's a recent hand where I think pushing any two is correct).

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by LebreMan
        Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 700 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9521882

        SB: 83,937 (12 bb)
        BB: 8,996 (1.3 bb)
        MP1: 141,720 (20.2 bb)
        MP2: 320,227 (45.7 bb)
        MP3: 72,906 (10.4 bb)
        CO: 90,825 (13 bb)
        Hero (BTN): 55,389 (7.9 bb)

        Preflop: (4,900) Hero is BTN with A T
        3 folds, CO raises to 21,000, Hero ???




        Fold? Shove? It's like the 3rd or 4th hand of the ft so no reads
        The BB is going to have to call no matter what you do, and with the 2nd smallest stack I'd call readless.
        05-25-2011 , 09:07 AM
        What do you think about this hand?

        (VPIP/PFR/3bet/hand)

        MP1:16/16/NA/12
        BTN:16/11/4/89
        SB:67/33/33/6


        PokerStars - $4.10+$0.40|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        SB: 1,840.00
        Hero (BB): 1,470.00
        UTG: 1,470.00
        UTG+1: 1,470.00
        MP: 2,045.00
        MP+1: 1,470.00
        CO: 1,470.00
        BTN: 3,735.00

        SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

        Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has J J

        fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 100.00, fold, BTN calls 100.00, SB raises to 300.00, Hero ?
        05-25-2011 , 10:11 AM
          Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9542102

          SB: 10,327 (12.9 bb)
          BB: 13,722 (17.2 bb)
          MP1: 5,435 (6.8 bb)
          Hero (MP2): 9,518 (11.9 bb)
          MP3: 14,686 (18.4 bb)
          CO: 17,484 (21.9 bb)
          BTN: 7,244 (9.1 bb)

          Preflop: (525) Hero is MP2 with 5 5
          MP1 raises to 5,360 and is all-in, Hero raises to 9,443 and is all-in, 5 folds

          Flop: (12,445) Q Q 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          Turn: (12,445) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: (12,445) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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          Is this a reshove here? MP is a 180 reg so should be wide with under 7bbs but a lot of players behind.
          05-27-2011 , 05:50 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by CarlosMOT
            Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9542102

            SB: 10,327 (12.9 bb)
            BB: 13,722 (17.2 bb)
            MP1: 5,435 (6.8 bb)
            Hero (MP2): 9,518 (11.9 bb)
            MP3: 14,686 (18.4 bb)
            CO: 17,484 (21.9 bb)
            BTN: 7,244 (9.1 bb)

            Preflop: (525) Hero is MP2 with 5 5
            MP1 raises to 5,360 and is all-in, Hero raises to 9,443 and is all-in, 5 folds

            Flop: (12,445) Q Q 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            Turn: (12,445) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)
            River: (12,445) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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            Is this a reshove here? MP is a 180 reg so should be wide with under 7bbs but a lot of players behind.
            Imo This is fold,because too many people are still after him.
            05-28-2011 , 04:54 AM
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            05-28-2011 , 08:51 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by richeh


            Correct shove?
            ?
            05-28-2011 , 10:40 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by richeh
            ?
            I don't understand this now.About what?
            05-28-2011 , 10:55 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Beny
            What do you think about this hand?

            (VPIP/PFR/3bet/hand)

            MP1:16/16/NA/12
            BTN:16/11/4/89
            SB:67/33/33/6


            PokerStars - $4.10+$0.40|10/20 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
            Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

            SB: 1,840.00
            Hero (BB): 1,470.00
            UTG: 1,470.00
            UTG+1: 1,470.00
            MP: 2,045.00
            MP+1: 1,470.00
            CO: 1,470.00
            BTN: 3,735.00

            SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

            Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has J J

            fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 100.00, fold, BTN calls 100.00, SB raises to 300.00, Hero ?
            sopoRific! The problem is that the small blind, seems fish.However, no conclusion could be drawn from six hand though.I think fold in a better solution.Will result from this situation is clearly a lot of weak players.Do you agree?
            05-29-2011 , 10:22 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by Beny
            sopoRific! The problem is that the small blind, seems fish.However, no conclusion could be drawn from six hand though.I think fold in a better solution.Will result from this situation is clearly a lot of weak players.Do you agree?
            SB's third 3-bet in 7 hands is probably enough to justify a shove (JJ vs. a maniac SB with 55+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+ and a tight MP with JJ+,AKs,AKo has 32% equity, and that's plenty since MP will often fold to the cold 4-bet), and if SB had already shown a weird hand, I'd happily shove with JJ. But with such a small sample, it's hard to tell whether SB is a maniac or simply someone who got 3 good hands in short succession.

            People don't usually 3-bet light early, so readless I'd fold. However, as long as you didn't cold call, I wouldn't stress over this hand. It's not a common situation (a good-but-not-KK+ hand against a 3-bet by someone who may be a maniac) and I doubt making the wrong decision will be costly either way.
            05-29-2011 , 10:24 PM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by richeh


            Correct shove?
            Your image doesn't appear for me (and when I copy/paste the image's URL in a new window, it says I am not authorized to view the attachment).
            05-30-2011 , 07:51 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by sopoRific
            SB's third 3-bet in 7 hands is probably enough to justify a shove (JJ vs. a maniac SB with 55+,A2s+,KTs+,QJs,A2o+,KJo+ and a tight MP with JJ+,AKs,AKo has 32% equity, and that's plenty since MP will often fold to the cold 4-bet), and if SB had already shown a weird hand, I'd happily shove with JJ. But with such a small sample, it's hard to tell whether SB is a maniac or simply someone who got 3 good hands in short succession.

            People don't usually 3-bet light early, so readless I'd fold. However, as long as you didn't cold call, I wouldn't stress over this hand. It's not a common situation (a good-but-not-KK+ hand against a 3-bet by someone who may be a maniac) and I doubt making the wrong decision will be costly either way.
            Thank you for your detailed response.Unfortunately, history is overlooked only looked at the statistics.SB played two hands properly before this.So I had to fold it...
            I went all in,MP called and showed QQ,SB AA...
            05-30-2011 , 11:06 AM
            second or third hand, no reads, villain open shoves 84BB's




              Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

              UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
              UTG+2: 1,640 (82 bb)
              MP1: 1,680 (84 bb)
              MP2: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
              MP3: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
              Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
              BTN: 2,930 (146.5 bb)
              SB: 1,410 (70.5 bb)
              BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
              2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,680 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

              05-30-2011 , 01:15 PM
              vilain seems good here
              stats: 22/9/35

              close spot isnt it? I have 12BB yeah.. But is he doing this with AJ? The blinds are small here



                Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9597452

                UTG+2: 3,091 (20.6 bb)
                MP1: 2,437 (16.2 bb)
                MP2: 2,258 (15.1 bb)
                MP3: 3,363 (22.4 bb)
                CO: 5,071 (33.8 bb)
                BTN: 3,924 (26.2 bb)
                SB: 7,148 (47.7 bb)
                Hero (BB): 1,809 (12.1 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
                2 folds, MP2 raises to 2,258 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 1,659 and is all-in

                Spoiler:
                Results: 3,693 pot
                MP2 mucked and lost (-1,809 net)
                Hero mucked A Q and lost (-1,809 net)



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                05-30-2011 , 06:57 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by unrealread
                vilain seems good here
                stats: 22/9/35

                close spot isnt it? I have 12BB yeah.. But is he doing this with AJ? The blinds are small here



                  Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9597452

                  UTG+2: 3,091 (20.6 bb)
                  MP1: 2,437 (16.2 bb)
                  MP2: 2,258 (15.1 bb)
                  MP3: 3,363 (22.4 bb)
                  CO: 5,071 (33.8 bb)
                  BTN: 3,924 (26.2 bb)
                  SB: 7,148 (47.7 bb)
                  Hero (BB): 1,809 (12.1 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q
                  2 folds, MP2 raises to 2,258 and is all-in, 4 folds, Hero calls 1,659 and is all-in

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: 3,693 pot
                  MP2 mucked and lost (-1,809 net)
                  Hero mucked A Q and lost (-1,809 net)



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                  35 hands are not too many,but doesn't seem too competent player.Most likely that you'll play flip.Imo From this position you can't fold it with this stack.
                  05-31-2011 , 06:07 AM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by rondecuba2
                  second or third hand, no reads, villain open shoves 84BB's




                    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                    UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
                    UTG+2: 1,640 (82 bb)
                    MP1: 1,680 (84 bb)
                    MP2: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                    MP3: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                    Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
                    BTN: 2,930 (146.5 bb)
                    SB: 1,410 (70.5 bb)
                    BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
                    2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,680 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

                    If there is no read on the player then fold.Check it out at the OPR.
                    05-31-2011 , 07:40 AM
                    Quote:
                    Originally Posted by rondecuba2
                    second or third hand, no reads, villain open shoves 84BB's




                      Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                      UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
                      UTG+2: 1,640 (82 bb)
                      MP1: 1,680 (84 bb)
                      MP2: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                      MP3: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                      Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
                      BTN: 2,930 (146.5 bb)
                      SB: 1,410 (70.5 bb)
                      BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
                      2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,680 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

                      if i still played these i'd call in <1sec.

                      same @unrealread's AQ hand but the worst hand i'd call.
                      05-31-2011 , 01:19 PM
                      Quote:
                      Originally Posted by rondecuba2
                      second or third hand, no reads, villain open shoves 84BB's




                        Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

                        UTG+1: 1,400 (70 bb)
                        UTG+2: 1,640 (82 bb)
                        MP1: 1,680 (84 bb)
                        MP2: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                        MP3: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
                        Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
                        BTN: 2,930 (146.5 bb)
                        SB: 1,410 (70.5 bb)
                        BB: 1,500 (75 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
                        2 folds, MP1 raises to 1,680 and is all-in, 2 folds, Hero ???

                        CAWL!!
                        05-31-2011 , 04:24 PM
                        ????



                          Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9609692

                          SB: 9,092 (36.4 bb)
                          Hero (BB): 10,776 (43.1 bb)
                          MP1: 2,155 (8.6 bb)
                          MP2: 9,290 (37.2 bb)
                          MP3: 785 (3.1 bb)
                          CO: 7,394 (29.6 bb)
                          BTN: 11,092 (44.4 bb)

                          Preflop: (175) Hero is BB with J J
                          MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 500, 2 folds, BTN raises to 1,200

                          Spoiler:
                          Results: 1,550 pot
                          SB mucked and lost (-150 net)
                          Hero mucked J J and lost (-275 net)
                          MP2 mucked and lost (-525 net)
                          BTN mucked and lost (-525 net)



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                          05-31-2011 , 06:06 PM
                          21 left im top 4 in chips i think
                          evil villain is a good reg who hasnt been abusing


                            Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 125 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9610112

                            BB: 11,858 (9.9 bb)
                            MP1: 31,358 (26.1 bb)
                            MP2: 4,136 (3.4 bb)
                            MP3: 4,450 (3.7 bb)
                            Hero (CO): 19,262 (16.1 bb)
                            BTN: 7,562 (6.3 bb)
                            SB: 7,276 (6.1 bb)

                            Preflop: (875) Hero is CO with K A
                            MP1 raises to 2,400, 2 folds, [color="red"]Hero




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                            06-01-2011 , 08:27 AM
                            Shove
                            06-01-2011 , 08:50 AM
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by unrealread
                            ????



                              Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
                              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9609692

                              SB: 9,092 (36.4 bb)
                              Hero (BB): 10,776 (43.1 bb)
                              MP1: 2,155 (8.6 bb)
                              MP2: 9,290 (37.2 bb)
                              MP3: 785 (3.1 bb)
                              CO: 7,394 (29.6 bb)
                              BTN: 11,092 (44.4 bb)

                              Preflop: (175) Hero is BB with J J
                              MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 500, 2 folds, BTN raises to 1,200

                              Spoiler:
                              Results: 1,550 pot
                              SB mucked and lost (-150 net)
                              Hero mucked J J and lost (-275 net)
                              MP2 mucked and lost (-525 net)
                              BTN mucked and lost (-525 net)



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                              3.3k/call readless
                              06-01-2011 , 03:16 PM
                              Hi,

                              what's better here a shove or a fold?


                                Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (300/600 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
                                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9612242

                                MP1: 6,036 (10.1 bb)
                                MP2: 17,167 (28.6 bb)
                                MP3: 14,991 (25 bb)
                                CO: 8,412 (14 bb)
                                BTN: 15,930 (26.6 bb)
                                SB: 9,150 (15.3 bb)
                                BB: 4,647 (7.7 bb)
                                Hero (UTG+1): 7,389 (12.3 bb)
                                UTG+2: 13,478 (22.5 bb)

                                Preflop: (450) Hero is UTG+1 with 8 8
                                Hero raises to 7,339 and is all-in, 2 folds, MP2 calls 7,339, 5 folds

                                Flop: (16,028) 7 3 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                                Turn: (16,028) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
                                River: (16,028) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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