in the middle of the session but if im reading right then its just pretty thin at best $ev wise. but we also need to factor in stack utility of a big CL. also with the variance in 180s isnt top 3 almost a must to be profitable long-term?

Stay away from my 4.40's please!

The main pot isn't insignificant. If Hero calls, the main pot will be 7,748 * 4 + 4,000 + 400 * 8 = 38,192 chips, and the side pot relevant for Hero is (44,331 - 8148) * 3 = 108,549 chips. Hero probably doesn't need to win the side pot 50% of the time like I suggested last night due to the main pot, but I hesitate to make a better estimate, because I don't really know how.

I think this is easy to overestimate. I once tried to look at the effects of a hyperaggressive chip leader here in the context of 45-player SnGs and decided that the chipleader's equity goes up by about 10% every time he can steal 1 M from the other players (with blinds/antes about 1/20th the total chips in play). This is obviously ideal, so I decided elsewhere in that thread the extra value with the big stack was worth about half that.

Meh, I've always tried to make +$EV decisions and not worried trying to end up in a certain position. Folding here won't consign hero to a 4th or 5th place finish, nor will winning here guarantee hero gets HU.

I might not be one to talk about 180s though...

How many tables do some of you play at one time? Is it about the same as multi-tabling cash? thanks

I'm most comfortable doing 9-12 but a lot of regs can easily do 18-30+

What is the average length of a $2.20 180 over a decent sample size? Thinking about playing these and i'm looking to figure out how many I could play per session.

example 12 tabling 8 hr session would roughly be? I know this is somewhat dependent on player skill, I'm just looking for a ballpark estimate.

TY

yeah the discussion of the edge gained of having a big CL is an interesting one. altho maybe u dont consider it a discussion anymore ha.. iirc the calcs u did were from the pov of being 2nd in chips, right?

i know the 180 vs 45 icm thing has been talked about a lot, so i guess at this point its more of a matter philosophy. with the nature of 180s, imo, taking all +cEV spots early at 180 ft's is ideal, and when it gets down to ~5 ppl then we can start considering icm. i still dont believe we have to think purely in $ev terms for a lot of reasons ppl have discussed ad nauseam. (one of those reasons being the obv that u dont ft as many 180s, so taking top 3 is much more important than in 45s). thoughts?

I started looking at the CL's equity with another poster upthread, then looked at the other players' equities.

I think looking at how future hands impact current equity is an underexplored topic, and would definitely like to see more discussion on the topic. I think there's too much hand waving with future gains used to justify not making tight folds.

I'm pretty rabidly in the pro-ICM camp in this respect, almost to the point of being contrarian to the rest of SSMTT. Recently, my thing is to try to make adjustments based on perceived factors (skill level, extra value of large/small stacks, blinds, etc.) and not worry about cEV at all. (But then, most of the adjustments will be in the looser direction, so it's not terribly different than what you're proposing.)

I find it hard to justify ignoring $EV based on factors like FT rate. Would this mean that $EV/ICM can be ignored at the FT of the Sunday Million?

But maybe you shouldn't listen to me in the context of 180-mans. I'm much better at 45s (like +17% in 12/45s and -3% in 12/180s since 2010).

agree with this


obv ignoring icm at the ft of the milli would be dumb.. i of course meant in the context of 180s. i think i agree with what ur saying, i just have a different way of explaining it. well i mean with 7+ ppl left at a 180 ft im not too worried about icm. but as a few ppl get eliminated then starting to have it in the back of my mind but not following it strictly. i think this is essentially what ur talking about altho u start in $ev and make adjustments so u arent as restricted, and i start in Cev and go the other way.

FT, 8 left, mega shortstacks in blinds. Villain is 37/25 on 8 hands. Table was preeetty terrible, esp guys on my left: don't know much about SB (0/0 on 9 hands), but he has pretty much blinded out already, BB (51/0 on 35) no comments, UTG+2 (29/6 on 17), MP1 (40/0 on 35).
Meh, what to do here?

Highfive your monitor and then call.

Location: Losing Flips

^would you be annoyed holding AJs or 77 here?

I guess I'd fold 77 but still call AJs..
What should be our calling range in that spot?

This is assuming the blinds always fold.

Fold: $162.37
Call, lose: $32.70
Call, win: $240.50

Hero needs more than 62.4% equity to call (probably not as much because of SB/BB overcalls). AQs has 66% equity against ATC, and about the same amount when I take out all the junk hands. AQs has 62.2% equity against a 30% range like {22+,A3s+,K6s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,A4o+,K7o+,QTo+,JT o}.

Just before bubble. villain is 22/22 over 18 hands cant say anything more about him.. what you think?

Flat this and see flop or just fold?

Poker Stars $7.00+$0.70 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 7 players
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MP: t2370 M = 1.08
CO: t18676 M = 8.49
BTN: t5381 M = 2.45
Hero (SB): t22831 M = 10.38
BB: t12740 M = 5.79
UTG: t5633 M = 2.56
UTG+1: t10795 M = 4.91

Pre Flop: (t2200) Hero is SB with 2 2
3 folds, CO raises to t2200, 3 folds

definetly don't flat. shove or fold.

if he has a picture that looks mellow and calm, shove. if he has a picture that is angry and fierce, fold.

What if it's prismatic/slightly hypnotizing?

flat -> c/f all flops

Okay, thank you for that. I ran it through some programs and it reports taking such a line as slightly +EV as compared to shoving and losing all monies.

np

super-reads itt. def changin my avatar to a baby

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 8 players
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UTG: t11591 M = 5.04
Hero (UTG+1): t8380 M = 3.64
MP1: t7572 M = 3.29
MP2: t9820 M = 4.27
CO: t6355 M = 2.76
BTN: t6435 M = 2.80
SB: t13458 M = 5.85
BB: t16731 M = 7.27

Pre Flop: (t2300) Hero is UTG+1 with 7 8
1 folds, Hero?

Is shoving here too loose or is it standard? What range should we shove?

How many players left is v relevant at 500/1000.

Also what is your avatar? Any noteworthy avatars behind?

^lol how you rate a sick-looking-asian-girl-climbing-out-of-a-well avatar?

I'm folding 87s there, btw, but I'm a nit and only shove AA