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07-06-2010 , 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isttop
im a micro cash player looking to move into these 180's to learn the art of mtt's. where should my learnings start ? i read a few pages of this thread and i get the impression you lot kinda have a chart or some kinda guide to your play. as a cash player my skillz are obvious not going to work so whats the big things to be thinking about. please link me to what ever you can think of to start thx. btw i'm new to this site so be gentle with me

You might find this useful:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23...thread-814718/
07-06-2010 , 05:20 PM
wow thats alot of home work but i'll read it thx. im planning on playing thr 4.40 180s on stars .
edit.. non turbos
07-06-2010 , 06:54 PM
$2.20 180 turbo. Shove, raise, or fold?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t11188 M = 5.97
SB: t15462 M = 8.25
BB: t18809 M = 10.03
UTG: t10380 M = 5.54
UTG+1: t17985 M = 9.59
UTG+2: t9110 M = 4.86
MP1: t2887 M = 1.54
Hero (MP2): t13400 M = 7.15
CO: t4398 M = 2.35

Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is MP2 with T A
4 folds, Hero ???
07-06-2010 , 06:58 PM
Shove,raising kinda sucks when they flat a bunch and there you are in a 4way pot with AT.
07-06-2010 , 06:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Choculitis
$2.20 180 turbo. Shove, raise, or fold?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t11188 M = 5.97
SB: t15462 M = 8.25
BB: t18809 M = 10.03
UTG: t10380 M = 5.54
UTG+1: t17985 M = 9.59
UTG+2: t9110 M = 4.86
MP1: t2887 M = 1.54
Hero (MP2): t13400 M = 7.15
CO: t4398 M = 2.35

Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is MP2 with T A
4 folds, Hero ???
1601 pls.
07-06-2010 , 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Choculitis
$2.20 180 turbo. Shove, raise, or fold?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t11188 M = 5.97
SB: t15462 M = 8.25
BB: t18809 M = 10.03
UTG: t10380 M = 5.54
UTG+1: t17985 M = 9.59
UTG+2: t9110 M = 4.86
MP1: t2887 M = 1.54
Hero (MP2): t13400 M = 7.15
CO: t4398 M = 2.35

Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is MP2 with T A
4 folds, Hero ???
easiest shove...dont raise/fold
07-06-2010 , 08:20 PM
Bubble spot tht seems to come up fairly often. no reads and no histry. My fist thought was to call 100 percent but the more i think about the hand I'm not sure. Any advice from regs would be great thanks


Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400.00/t800.00 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t11120.00 M = 9.27
BTN: t5272.00 M = 4.39
SB: t3050.00 M = 2.54
Hero (BB): t10419.00 M = 8.68
UTG: t13064.00 M = 10.89
UTG+1: t12708.00 M = 10.59
MP: t11909.00 M = 9.92

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t12633, 4 folds, Hero calls t9619 all in

Flop: (t21238) J 5 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t21238) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t21238) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
07-06-2010 , 09:07 PM
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t4805 M = 4.00
Hero (BTN): t5530 M = 4.61
SB: t2652 M = 2.21
BB: t3477 M = 2.90
UTG: t4244 M = 3.54
MP: t10577 M = 8.81

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is BTN with J A
1 fold, MP raises to t10527 all in, Hero?...

Of course this looks like a snap call, but the villian was 3 / 3 / 0 over 32 hands. Is this still an insta call?
07-06-2010 , 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sheriffolds
Bubble spot tht seems to come up fairly often. no reads and no histry. My fist thought was to call 100 percent but the more i think about the hand I'm not sure. Any advice from regs would be great thanks


Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400.00/t800.00 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t11120.00 M = 9.27
BTN: t5272.00 M = 4.39
SB: t3050.00 M = 2.54
Hero (BB): t10419.00 M = 8.68
UTG: t13064.00 M = 10.89
UTG+1: t12708.00 M = 10.59
MP: t11909.00 M = 9.92

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is BB with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t12633, 4 folds, Hero calls t9619 all in

Flop: (t21238) J 5 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t21238) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t21238) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
I'm very inclined to call here, I feel like it looks something like this:


Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.838% 44.22% 05.62% 65112492 8277683.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 50.162% 44.54% 05.62% 65590286 8277683.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }

So do you want to flip for your tournament life or no?
And if you, you will be in a great position to cash well.
07-06-2010 , 09:43 PM
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t10594 M = 6.42
MP2: t4715 M = 2.86
CO: t2218 M = 1.34
BTN: t7941 M = 4.81
SB: t6590 M = 3.99
Hero (BB): t9477 M = 5.74
UTG: t10671 M = 6.47
UTG+1: t2440 M = 1.48
UTG+2: t12854 M = 7.79

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is BB with 2 6
7 folds, SB calls t400, Hero ?....
07-06-2010 , 10:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t10594 M = 6.42
MP2: t4715 M = 2.86
CO: t2218 M = 1.34
BTN: t7941 M = 4.81
SB: t6590 M = 3.99
Hero (BB): t9477 M = 5.74
UTG: t10671 M = 6.47
UTG+1: t2440 M = 1.48
UTG+2: t12854 M = 7.79

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is BB with 2 6
7 folds, SB calls t400, Hero ?....
wow weird spot. I bet shoving and just checking to see a flop are both the same as far as EV goes.

Not sure how I missed this thread though and wanted to say thanks to Protential!
07-07-2010 , 12:14 AM
thx for the resources
07-07-2010 , 12:24 AM
How wide are we calling here? 15 left $6.50 90man ko on full tilt... SB is 21/10/0.8 over ~100 hands.... 43% steal, but that was only over 7 chances he had to steal.... no other notes so he wasn't a complete drooler or overly impressive in that time...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1,600(BB) Replayer
SB ($17,131)
Hero ($18,911)
UTG ($10,854)
UTG+1 ($21,383)
UTG+2 ($23,294)
CO ($8,449)
BTN ($23,020)

UTG+1 antes $200
UTG+2 antes $200
CO antes $200
BTN antes $200
SB antes $200
Hero antes $200
UTG antes $200

Dealt to Hero xx

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $16,931 (AI), Hero ...
07-07-2010 , 12:34 AM
FT of a $3/90 ko. BB is 23/12 over 95 hands.. hadn't 3bet up to that point...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($60,960)
BB ($34,390)
UTG ($26,452)
UTG+1 ($14,085)
UTG+2 ($59,846)
Hero ($44,570)
CO ($13,978)
BTN ($15,719)

UTG+1 antes $250
UTG+2 antes $250
Hero antes $250
CO antes $250
BTN antes $250
SB antes $250
BB antes $250
UTG antes $250

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6,000, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $18,000, Hero ?
07-07-2010 , 06:44 AM
Hi,
Are this one of those spots where we should pass a slight +chipEV ? I put he's shoving range on 74% , or should he shoved ATC with <10bb BvB ? If he shoves ATC then i guess this is clearly a call, but since i don't think he's shoving that wide i don't know if this is a good call...

Thanks

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t3905 M = 13.02
SB: t970 M = 3.23
Hero (BB): t1612 M = 5.37
UTG: t2820 M = 9.40
UTG+1: t3095 M = 10.32
UTG+2: t1340 M = 4.47
MP1: t1273 M = 4.24
MP2: t1655 M = 5.52
CO: t2160 M = 7.20

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with T 7
7 folds, SB raises to t970 all in, Hero
07-07-2010 , 06:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dotdotdot
FT of a $3/90 ko. BB is 23/12 over 95 hands.. hadn't 3bet up to that point...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $2,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($60,960)
BB ($34,390)
UTG ($26,452)
UTG+1 ($14,085)
UTG+2 ($59,846)
Hero ($44,570)
CO ($13,978)
BTN ($15,719)

UTG+1 antes $250
UTG+2 antes $250
Hero antes $250
CO antes $250
BTN antes $250
SB antes $250
BB antes $250
UTG antes $250

Dealt to Hero T T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6,000, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $18,000, Hero ?
raise less pre to mask your steals and TT should really be in your r/c range from Hijack with these stacks.
07-07-2010 , 06:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goos
Hi,
Are this one of those spots where we should pass a slight +chipEV ? I put he's shoving range on 74% , or should he shoved ATC with <10bb BvB ? If he shoves ATC then i guess this is clearly a call, but since i don't think he's shoving that wide i don't know if this is a good call...

Thanks

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t3905 M = 13.02
SB: t970 M = 3.23
Hero (BB): t1612 M = 5.37
UTG: t2820 M = 9.40
UTG+1: t3095 M = 10.32
UTG+2: t1340 M = 4.47
MP1: t1273 M = 4.24
MP2: t1655 M = 5.52
CO: t2160 M = 7.20

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with T 7
7 folds, SB raises to t970 all in, Hero
to close to call preante even with the read that he shoves wide, rather shove wide and use FE

i make the thin call with a M of 8 to still have FE when losing the hand for future shoving spots.
07-07-2010 , 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t10594 M = 6.42
MP2: t4715 M = 2.86
CO: t2218 M = 1.34
BTN: t7941 M = 4.81
SB: t6590 M = 3.99
Hero (BB): t9477 M = 5.74
UTG: t10671 M = 6.47
UTG+1: t2440 M = 1.48
UTG+2: t12854 M = 7.79

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is BB with 2 6
7 folds, SB calls t400, Hero ?....
check unless you have reads that he will fold frequently
07-07-2010 , 06:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dotdotdot
How wide are we calling here? 15 left $6.50 90man ko on full tilt... SB is 21/10/0.8 over ~100 hands.... 43% steal, but that was only over 7 chances he had to steal.... no other notes so he wasn't a complete drooler or overly impressive in that time...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1,600(BB) Replayer
SB ($17,131)
Hero ($18,911)
UTG ($10,854)
UTG+1 ($21,383)
UTG+2 ($23,294)
CO ($8,449)
BTN ($23,020)

UTG+1 antes $200
UTG+2 antes $200
CO antes $200
BTN antes $200
SB antes $200
Hero antes $200
UTG antes $200

Dealt to Hero xx

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $16,931 (AI), Hero ...
Ax, K8s, KTo, 22
07-07-2010 , 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
raise less pre to mask your steals and TT should really be in your r/c range from Hijack with these stacks.
So more like.. 4500-5000 pre? As played, am I 4b shoving since he 3b about half of his stack?

Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
Ax, K8s, KTo, 22
Makes sense, thank you.
07-07-2010 , 08:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dotdotdot
So more like.. 4500-5000 pre? As played, am I 4b shoving since he 3b about half of his stack?



Makes sense, thank you.
ya. 2.2-2.5BB once there are antes and in the later stages i go 2.3x max
07-07-2010 , 11:33 AM
Hand #1
Full Tilt Poker $10 + $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t2010 M = 11.17
UTG+2: t1630 M = 9.06
MP1: t690 M = 3.83
MP2: t6129 M = 34.05
CO: t1780 M = 9.89
Hero (BTN): t2190 M = 12.17
SB: t2180 M = 12.11
BB: t1330 M = 7.39
UTG: t1455 M = 8.08

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is BTN with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t300, 4 folds Hero ?

We're probably in the mid-game of the MTTSNG. This is the FTP 45 man.

I don't have reads on villain. We both have equal stacks of 20 bbs, a pfr in early position probably indicates a decent hand. Is this a standard reshove? I am having trouble gauging what is an optimal reshove hand with 20 bbs. I think I reshove here easily here with 15 bbs. With a larger stack is reshoving too spewy?

THanks.

Last edited by thedarknight; 07-07-2010 at 11:39 AM.
07-07-2010 , 11:41 AM
reshoving is all we can do. I'd never fold with this stack.
07-07-2010 , 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kittylife
reshoving is all we can do. I'd never fold with this stack.
I just don't know how much fold equity we have. I see a lot of these guys calling pretty light, like 33-55 for these kinds of reshoves. I guess this is something we just have to do and settle for flipping a 20 bb stack?
07-07-2010 , 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedarknight
I just don't know how much fold equity we have. I see a lot of these guys calling pretty light, like 33-55 for these kinds of reshoves. I guess this is something we just have to do and settle for flipping a 20 bb stack?
Any merit for re raising to say 900, then shoving/calling whatever on the flop? What situations do you employ a sort of go and go play vs. a reshove all-in?

      
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