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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100.00/t200.00 Blinds - 7 players
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UTG+1: t4625.00 23.12 BBs
MP: t6150.00 30.75 BBs
CO: t1805.00 9.03 BBs
BTN: t2795.00 13.97 BBs
SB: t3750.00 18.75 BBs
Hero (BB): t3920.00 19.60 BBs
UTG: t2028.00 10.14 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with 6

5 folds, SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t400) K

(2 players)
SB bets t200.00, Hero folds

45 man. I figured that we're too deep to shove and but calling seems very meh given the hand strength and the strength he's shown. Should I just be popping up to like 700 here? Or is a shove better?

Not sure why you think shoving on that flop is ever a good idea? I might shove pre and get looked up by all sorts of garbage, though, or just see him fold like 90% of the time.

11-16-2010 , 12:31 AM

#1427

DanHartGWS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

Just fold or raise to 400-475 and fold to a reraise/give up. Pretty common for people to limp SB min bet flop with almost ATC. Definitely don't shove or call

Sorry if I confused you by adding in flop info, its an obvious c/f with my hand. I was talking about raising or shoving pf.

11-16-2010 , 03:05 AM

#1428

JHolsinger88

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New to grinding MTT.

If I were to 8 table the $4.40 180 on Stars, how many hours on average would I have to put in to reach 20/25 games/day?

I'm looking to play around 8 hrs/day and i'm wondering how many games I can get in (roughly)

thx.

11-16-2010 , 03:34 AM

#1429

OMGClayDol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JHolsinger88

Dan, you'd be surprised how often people open limp in sb and min bet flop with ATC, try raise a few times in this type of spot and you'll get a lot more folds than you expect

Also pre just checking is fine, you have showdown value etc, too deep to shove. If you were like say 13BB (approx) or less you can shove. Not much value in raising.

The 4.40s are sooooooo slow (omg) I would say probably like 4 hours to play 20-25 8 tabling or more, depending on if you play continuously (always 8) or in sets (load 8, and only load more when you've finished).

11-16-2010 , 03:38 AM

#1430

JHolsinger88

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Are you sure only 4 hrs continuously? I know that it takes on avg 4 hrs to win one. A few deep runs could extend time needed.

11-16-2010 , 03:52 AM

#1431

OMGClayDol

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Well probably more. It took like 5 hrs to finish the one I played last night (HU), and I don't think I will ever play one of these again.. The higher attainable roi in these is simply not worth the 3x longer time they take compared to the turbos imo.

Anyway on average I would say maybe a bit more than 4 hrs then, not too sure how long you would take to bust on average etc.. Give it a go and see for yourself I guess, unless someone can be more specific than me...

Best of luck!

11-16-2010 , 04:44 AM

#1432

JHolsinger88

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Thank you.

I seem to do much better in a reg format opposed to a turbo. Guess i'll have to do a trial run to get a time estimate

11-16-2010 , 04:47 AM

#1433

OMGClayDol

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Yes you will do better in a non turbo, and there's less variance too. But the time taken is way higher. BUTTTT non turbo will also improve your game more too than a robot style in turobs

Good luck!

11-16-2010 , 06:32 PM

#1434

DanteA

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Are there some kind of list with regs on the $2.20/180s turbos?

11-16-2010 , 06:34 PM

#1435

OMGClayDol

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Lol you can probably do a Sharkscope search to see the top winners and those would obviously pretty much all be "regs". But you'd never not register in one of them because the game is too tough. Unless you just want to make a note of all the regs so you know who to play against differently..? It's not really worth it at these levels.

11-16-2010 , 07:20 PM

#1436

mcfc1234

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Hey guys, the one spot I seem to struggle knowing what to do over and over again is, when you have 5bbs utg post ante. What range of hands should I be shoving here? I shove close to any 2 but it seems I am called and busto far too often, but if i fold and then have to go through the blinds, I will then have hardly any FE what so ever and will be called almost every time.

So, I guess my overall question is; is it better to shove almost any2 utg or let the blinds go through you and wait for a better hand with no FE??

Thanks guys

11-16-2010 , 07:24 PM

#1437

DanteA

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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

What I want to do is pretty much mark them with reg-color. Thats why im asking. But I guess I can do it the long way, mark them the more I see them.

11-16-2010 , 08:21 PM

#1438

Balinsh

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcfc1234

As Jackal69 said, that you need to shove any two, because you will have no FE after going blinds... but you should try to avoid that, for example I shove any two from BU with randoms in blinds, if I have 5bb, you just need to try not to drop to 5bb and look for good spots all the time.. of course there are some exceptions etc etc...

11-16-2010 , 08:36 PM

#1439

DanteA

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When you guys play the $2.20 180s, do you shove shovy hands even when you have 75 BBs, at the start that is?

11-17-2010 , 03:33 AM

#1440

OMGClayDol

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You will get called a fair amount but it's probably more profitable to just make standard raises

11-17-2010 , 05:32 AM

#1441

DanteA

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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

You will get called a fair amount but it's probably more profitable to just make standard raises

Ok.

At what amount of BBs do you jam instantly?

11-17-2010 , 06:07 AM

#1442

OMGClayDol

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I play fairly standard.. I usually don't open jam in spots I normally wouldn't at higher levels at the $2s just because worse will call. So usually not open jamming with more than 15BB in 99% of spots

11-17-2010 , 06:09 AM

#1443

enprinte

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Good spot to shove right?

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1030683
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MP1: t1445 9.63 BBs
MP2: t3750 25 BBs
Hero (CO): t1270 8.47 BBs
BTN: t35 0.23 BBs
SB: t2405 16.03 BBs
BB: t4390 29.27 BBs
UTG: t1760 11.73 BBs
UTG+1: t7700 51.33 BBs
UTG+2: t1365 9.10 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is CO with 9

UTG calls t150, 2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, Hero ?

11-17-2010 , 07:25 AM

#1444

OMGClayDol

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Ya easy/good jam assuming no reads of UTG being trappy (aka you've seen him limp AA/KK UTG)
Also jamming 22+ A2s+ A6o+ QJs+ KQo+ and possibly even a little wider.

We get a very nice additional to our stack since they fold so much and even when called have decent equity (especially cause of dead money)

11-17-2010 , 07:35 AM

#1445

DanteA

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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol

Dont know if this is too spewy but AK UTG when BB is at 100 and I have 3000 chips I shove everyday. People are so annoyingly fishy so they can easily call you with **** in later positions, which makes it hard to play AK postflop.

11-17-2010 , 07:46 AM

#1446

OMGClayDol

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Originally Posted by DanteA

Lol but when people call you with **** that's called value.. QQ is a better hand to shove because vs loose calling ranges you have much better equity than AK which is a relatively slight favourite vs hands like Q8o or whatever. Raise and learn some post flop poker

(Not very hard at the 2.20s, just value bet if you hit, sometimes c-bet if you miss and fold against resistance)

11-17-2010 , 07:47 AM

#1447

GrimIsCool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DanteA

When you guys play the $2.20 180s, do you shove shovy hands even when you have 75 BBs, at the start that is?

I'd like to hear peoples opinions about this because I do like to shove AK+ QQ+ etc first hand in because you do get calls from tards with A5o or other crap.

11-17-2010 , 07:52 AM

#1448

OMGClayDol

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First hand is an exception I guess. In general it is of course +EV to open shove AA/KK/QQ (preferred over AK cause of equity vs random trash like Q9o etc) but probably more +EV to just raise and play standard. The guys who call a shove with trash XY hand will usually give you all the value you need if they connect the flop

11-17-2010 , 09:04 AM

#1449

Itsover9000!!

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yeah open shoving with QQ+ is definitely +EV in the first hand especially in 180s with more fish. i have hands with me shoving AA and getting 2-4 callers with like Ax, KJ and even QT (and obv losing some of them unfortunately, but it's pretty nice when this table pops up again and you have like 6000 chips after the first hand lol)