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11-05-2010 , 11:32 PM
Do you push ATC here with 2 players forced AI in the next two hands? (12/45t FT)


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (SB): t6741 M = 2.81
BB: t11866 M = 4.94
UTG: t1000 M = 0.42
UTG+1: t576 M = 0.24
MP1: t26538 M = 11.06
MP2: t5991 M = 2.50
CO: t13043 M = 5.43
BTN: t1745 M = 0.73

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is SB with 8 5
6 folds, Hero?
11-05-2010 , 11:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by koudis
Sry it was 180 12 bucks...
What about KTo in this case or little pair (never know i feel like it is all the time coin or cEV+...). I mean where is edge. I think main is K9s+ KTo+ JQo JQs A2s+ A2o+ 55+. Isnt too wide or too tight ?
Well, plug the villain's stack size into pushbot.

With ~7bbs and an M of 3, from the button, villain can push literally any two cards profitably here. Depending on what he thinks our calling range is, he folds his total trash and pushes any two suited cards, T5o+, etc.

So again the decision comes down to reads on whether the villain is competent or not. If the villain is competent and you think he is shoving as wide as he "should" be, then KT is crushing his range and we should snapcall. However, a lot of people don't shove as wide as they "should" in these situations, so you need to be able to identify those people or risk putting your money in way behind.



Quote:
Originally Posted by sopoRific
Do you push ATC here with 2 players forced AI in the next two hands? (12/45t FT)


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (SB): t6741 M = 2.81
BB: t11866 M = 4.94
UTG: t1000 M = 0.42
UTG+1: t576 M = 0.24
MP1: t26538 M = 11.06
MP2: t5991 M = 2.50
CO: t13043 M = 5.43
BTN: t1745 M = 0.73

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is SB with 8 5
6 folds, Hero?
I probably fold.... It sucks and we're really too short stacked to be passing up on these opportunities. Picking up the blinds here would be enormous for our stack. However, I think the BB calls us a bit wide given that his stack is 2x as big as ours and we're obviously making a positional raise. Also our equity is obviously garbage when we're called. With 2 people about to go out or at least have their tournament put on the line.... I dunno.

Last edited by JomboJuice22; 11-05-2010 at 11:49 PM.
11-07-2010 , 12:43 PM
This fine?$3/45 FT

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: t25610 M = 8.99
BTN: t9870 M = 3.46
Hero (SB): t9130 M = 3.20
BB: t11480 M = 4.03
UTG: t1215 M = 0.43
MP: t10195 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t2850) Hero is SB with 9 8
UTG calls t1140 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t800, BB checks

Flop: (t6390) 6 T 9 (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, BB bets t9805 all in, CO calls t9805, Hero calls t7455 all in

Last edited by streetwalkincheeta; 11-07-2010 at 12:50 PM.
11-07-2010 , 12:52 PM
$3/45 FT.Calling range?:
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): t9503 M = 4.22
UTG: t21797 M = 9.69
MP: t4245 M = 1.89
CO: t673 M = 0.30
BTN: t2994 M = 1.33
SB: t28288 M = 12.57

Pre Flop: (t2250) Hero is BB with nh
2 folds, CO calls t598 all in, 1 fold, SB raises to t28213 all in, Hero
11-07-2010 , 01:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
This fine?$3/45 FT

Am pretty sure flopping the world means getting it in! If you whiff you whiff.
11-07-2010 , 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta
This fine?$3/45 FT

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

CO: t25610 M = 8.99
BTN: t9870 M = 3.46
Hero (SB): t9130 M = 3.20
BB: t11480 M = 4.03
UTG: t1215 M = 0.43
MP: t10195 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t2850) Hero is SB with 9 8
UTG calls t1140 all in, 1 fold, CO calls t1600, 1 fold, Hero calls t800, BB checks

Flop: (t6390) 6 T 9 (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, BB bets t9805 all in, CO calls t9805, Hero calls t7455 all in
I just had a nearly identical hand pop up. Final table, 5 handed, I flop a monster draw. I did the same thing as you, but I think it's a huuuuuge mistake.

IMO, we should be open shoving this flop. If we check and get a free card that would be nice, but we aren't ever folding when somebody bets into us on this flop. And in a super-shortstacked FT situation, when we check raise, people are going to be calling light because they feel committed to the pot (not really what we want here, it would be better to just take down the pot imo, especially given the flat payout structure of the 45's).
11-07-2010 , 06:34 PM
My last 3 months in the 180s:



Overall 180 graph:



Now featuring 200 buyin downswings and 1700 game breakeven stretches!

Brag: 185 buyin upswing this weekend.
11-08-2010 , 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JuicedAces
How relevant are these all-in EV graphs to your winrate? on the Year i have played over 7k $3 45s and I'm running over 1mill under ev and my ROI is still right around 20%



thoughts?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JomboJuice22
I'd expect it to be pretty negligible over that big of a sample size. I was running ~600k under EV over ~700 games. TwistedValor is running 1.4 mil under over 2k games.

In my example that's like I got 850 chips in with 100% equity and lost, every game for 700 games. Pretty significant when you consider that the starting stack is 1500 chips...

In your example it's like you're getting 150 chips in with 100% equity and losing. It's not going to impact your bottom line nearly as much when it's distributed over that big a span.

Also, the EV thing really doesn't tell you all that much about how you're running. It's very easily skewed by a couple suckouts deep in a tourney, and it also says nothing about coolers and running into the tops of people's ranges. (ie, you make a super +ev shove with KK from the button and BB calls with AA.... the EV calculator is going to say you're running as expected when you lose, but in fact that's pretty bad luck).
It can be skewed, but im ~4mil chips under ev since i got my new comp in june on PS alone (and yea, i havent been winning as much since im 4mil under ev )

Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
My last 3 months in the 180s:



Overall 180 graph:



Now featuring 200 buyin downswings and 1700 game breakeven stretches!

Brag: 185 buyin upswing this weekend.
2mil chips under ev too; all from october too

11-08-2010 , 07:36 PM
180 12
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($14,184)
BB ($9,912)
UTG ($27,614)
UTG+1 ($48,876)
Hero ($86,480)
MP1 ($25,000)
CO ($32,354)
BTN ($25,580)

Dealt to Hero K J

Is it really that obvious push? I was kinda active at this table and those behind r not so good...
11-08-2010 , 08:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by koudis
180 12
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4,000(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($14,184)
BB ($9,912)
UTG ($27,614)
UTG+1 ($48,876)
Hero ($86,480)
MP1 ($25,000)
CO ($32,354)
BTN ($25,580)

Dealt to Hero K J

Is it really that obvious push? I was kinda active at this table and those behind r not so good...
Looks like a pretty easy push to me given effective stack sizes.
11-08-2010 , 08:40 PM
yeah koudis wager something like 66666 and then start spamming "come at me" in chat.

rob you're pretty cool using ev charts in tournaments!
11-08-2010 , 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ftn_chris
yeah koudis wager something like 66666 and then start spamming "come at me" in chat.

rob you're pretty cool using ev charts in tournaments!
When did I use EV charts? Those are sharkscope graphs.
11-08-2010 , 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
When did I use EV charts? Those are sharkscope graphs.
did you not get that 2M ev statistic from a graph?

nice results this weekend btw.
11-08-2010 , 09:45 PM
Jdawg said that, not me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
FWIW those programs don't give you a real accurate depiction of how you are running compared to EV. When I run well it says I'm slightly above EV but when I run bad it says I'm waaaaay under EV. I'm not sure what the problem is but they only work properly for 9 mans.
11-08-2010 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
Jdawg said that, not me.
**** quotes are hard. im glad it wasnt you because i feel totally ok making fun of jdawg.
11-08-2010 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ftn_chris
**** quotes are hard. im glad it wasnt you because i feel totally ok making fun of jdawg.
<3
11-09-2010 , 02:17 PM
What do you think?

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t5053 M = 4.39
UTG: t2820 M = 2.45
Hero (CO): t4510 M = 3.92
BTN: t6005 M = 5.22
SB: t12230 M = 10.63

Pre Flop: (t1150) Hero is CO with 5 A
1 fold, Hero raises to t4460 all in, 1 fold, SB raises to t12180 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t9770) Q 2 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t9770) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t9770) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)
11-09-2010 , 02:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frost89
What do you think?

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t5053 M = 4.39
UTG: t2820 M = 2.45
Hero (CO): t4510 M = 3.92
BTN: t6005 M = 5.22
SB: t12230 M = 10.63

Pre Flop: (t1150) Hero is CO with 5 A
1 fold, Hero raises to t4460 all in, 1 fold, SB raises to t12180 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t9770) Q 2 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t9770) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t9770) 6 (2 players - 2 are all in)
Standard shove.
11-09-2010 , 03:50 PM
Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t5280 26.40 BBs
SB: t2170 10.85 BBs
BB: t1565 7.83 BBs
UTG: t930 4.65 BBs
UTG+1: t1967 9.84 BBs
Hero (MP1): t1730 8.65 BBs
MP2: t3103 15.52 BBs
CO: t5225 26.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with 8 8
UTG raises to t930 all in, 1 folds,

What is your range to shove over here?
11-09-2010 , 04:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KromN
Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t5280 26.40 BBs
SB: t2170 10.85 BBs
BB: t1565 7.83 BBs
UTG: t930 4.65 BBs
UTG+1: t1967 9.84 BBs
Hero (MP1): t1730 8.65 BBs
MP2: t3103 15.52 BBs
CO: t5225 26.12 BBs

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with 8 8
UTG raises to t930 all in, 1 folds,

What is your range to shove over here?
22+ Ax, JTs+
11-09-2010 , 04:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
22+ Ax, JTs+
disagree with that by a lot actually, though 88 is obviously a shove.
11-09-2010 , 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by furo
22+ Ax, JTs+
not talking about his range....(?)
and obv 88 reshove
11-09-2010 , 07:13 PM
put me down for 55 ats aj
11-10-2010 , 04:05 AM
A8o+ A7s+ 22+ KQs+ for me
11-10-2010 , 04:22 AM
55+A10o + Axs + KQo

i think

      
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