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11-04-2010 , 03:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakes123
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1008640
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t1980 99 BBs
UTG+1: t1505 75.25 BBs
UTG+2: t1470 73.50 BBs
MP1: t1470 73.50 BBs
Hero (MP2): t1470 73.50 BBs
CO: t1500 75 BBs
BTN: t1470 73.50 BBs
SB: t1105 55.25 BBs
BB: t1530 76.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP2 with T T
UTG raises to t100, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 4 folds

Flop: (t330) 7 2 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t185, UTG calls t185, UTG+2 raises to t370, Hero calls t185, UTG folds

Turn: (t1255) 9 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets t400, Hero folds

Anyone play this hand differently? (was 1st or 2nd hand in a 45 man so readless)

Thanks

I normally fold pre tbh . As played shoving the flop and cursing my luck that he calls with JJ or a9 and gets there!
11-04-2010 , 09:04 AM
Can u give some advice how to play such type of hands early after flop:

PS $1.75/18

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,440)
Hero ($1,500)
UTG ($1,440)
UTG+1 ($1,500)
UTG+2 ($1,750)
MP1 ($1,500)
MP2 ($1,440)
CO ($1,440)
BTN ($1,490)

Dealt to Hero J K

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $20, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $20, fold, Hero raises to $60, UTG+2 calls $40, BTN calls $40

FLOP ($190) J A K

Hero bets $100, UTG+2 calls $100, BTN raises to $400
Hero ??

This type I mean u flop 2 pairs and the bord is so coordinated
11-04-2010 , 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dainius_Lt
Can u give some advice how to play such type of hands early after flop:

PS $1.75/18

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,440)
Hero ($1,500)
UTG ($1,440)
UTG+1 ($1,500)
UTG+2 ($1,750)
MP1 ($1,500)
MP2 ($1,440)
CO ($1,440)
BTN ($1,490)

Dealt to Hero J K

fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $20, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls $20, fold, Hero raises to $60, UTG+2 calls $40, BTN calls $40

FLOP ($190) J A K

Hero bets $100, UTG+2 calls $100, BTN raises to $400
Hero ??

This type I mean u flop 2 pairs and the bord is so coordinated
i wouldn't iso that hand pre but as played it depends on the villain. Against players I know I would probably fold and against unknowns I would stick it in bc I seem him also doing that w some Pair+Gutshot type stuff or random flushdraws.But I really would advice you just to fold pre (in that stage)
11-04-2010 , 11:04 AM
1) not sure why you are raising 3x really, especially oop when no-one is going to be folding behind you
2) as played in a 1.75 i see no problem in shoving. you're deffo neutral chipev minimum in this spot imo (get others thoughts tho)
11-04-2010 , 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovebutton
i wouldn't iso that hand pre but as played it depends on the villain. Against players I know I would probably fold and against unknowns I would stick it in bc I seem him also doing that w some Pair+Gutshot type stuff or random flushdraws.But I really would advice you just to fold pre (in that stage)
I also probably wouldn't raise preflop - we're slightly ahead of their ranges I think, but we're OOP and this hand has bad reverse implied odds with stacks being this deep. I don't think I hate raising here, though.

When we flop 2 pair I really don't think we can fold the flop here like ever. I'm not sure if shoving or flatting is better, though. There are tons of straight / flush draws out there, especially given that both villains limped. I want to flat, being so deep, but there are just so many turn cards that either kill action or kill our hand - any diamond, Q or T.

If we flat the flop, we have about 1 PSB left in our stack on the turn so the money is all going in anyways.... I guess it's shove or fold on the flop, and I don't think we can fold. We're pretty much never behind on the flop imo, and even if the villain has QdTd we still have 17% equity.
11-04-2010 , 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovebutton
i wouldn't iso that hand pre but as played it depends on the villain. Against players I know I would probably fold and against unknowns I would stick it in bc I seem him also doing that w some Pair+Gutshot type stuff or random flushdraws.But I really would advice you just to fold pre (in that stage)
Hero is BB, nah? don't like the 3x raise pre. As played get it in OTF
11-04-2010 , 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wakes123
Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1008640
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: t1980 99 BBs
UTG+1: t1505 75.25 BBs
UTG+2: t1470 73.50 BBs
MP1: t1470 73.50 BBs
Hero (MP2): t1470 73.50 BBs
CO: t1500 75 BBs
BTN: t1470 73.50 BBs
SB: t1105 55.25 BBs
BB: t1530 76.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP2 with T T
UTG raises to t100, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 4 folds

Flop: (t330) 7 2 9 (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t185, UTG calls t185, UTG+2 raises to t370, Hero calls t185, UTG folds

Turn: (t1255) 9 (2 players)
UTG+2 bets t400, Hero folds

Anyone play this hand differently? (was 1st or 2nd hand in a 45 man so readless)

Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by soulcrushing
I normally fold pre tbh . As played shoving the flop and cursing my luck that he calls with JJ or a9 and gets there!
There are enough implied odds to flat TT in a multiway pot for 1/15th of stacks that folding isn't right.
11-04-2010 , 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sopoRific
There are enough implied odds to flat TT in a multiway pot for 1/15th of stacks that folding isn't right.
I agree. And I'm not so sure about folding when we're IP and getting 3:1 and being IP, either.
11-04-2010 , 07:58 PM
1st hand
last 2 tables of 180
im getting 2,5:1 and mostly call nearly any 2 there if it doenst cripple my stack
thoughts?

2nd
final table of 180 getting 3:1
fist bump call?

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000.00/t2000.00 Blinds - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t16546.00 8.27 BBs
Hero (SB): t23594.00 11.80 BBs
BB: t20416.00 10.21 BBs
UTG: t4020.00 2.01 BBs
MP: t20185.00 10.09 BBs
CO: t44028.00 22.01 BBs

Pre Flop: (t3000) Hero is SB with Q 4
UTG raises to t3820, 3 folds, Hero calls t2820, 1 fold

Flop: (t9640) 7 6 3 (2 players)

Turn: (t9640) K (2 players)

River: (t9640) 4 (2 players)



Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800.00/t1600.00 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t21046.00 13.15 BBs
SB: t3820.00 2.39 BBs
Hero (BB): t38931.00 24.33 BBs
UTG: t8506.00 5.32 BBs
UTG+1: t4079.00 2.55 BBs
MP1: t4120.00 2.58 BBs
MP2: t16365.00 10.23 BBs
CO: t31922.00 19.95 BBs

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is BB with 8 7
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t3929, 5 folds, Hero calls t2329

Flop: (t8658) 9 4 A (2 players)

Turn: (t8658) A (2 players)

River: (t8658) J (2 players)

Last edited by ilovebutton; 11-04-2010 at 08:25 PM.
11-04-2010 , 08:21 PM
^ I call both hands. I don't fist pump though, I just shrug and say "well if nobody else is gonna call..." Ain't letting some mofo with 2bb's take my blinds.
11-05-2010 , 02:06 AM
push/fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3810)
UTG+1 (t1080)
Hero (MP1) (t2633)
MP2 (t1040)
MP3 (t2520)
CO (t7050)
Button (t2665)
SB (t3095)
BB (t2015)

Hero's M: 3.19

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t1055 (All-In),
11-05-2010 , 03:21 AM
Having 6.5 bbs im reshoving here everytime. Keep in mind that utg+1 is about to get blinded and has 2.5bbs. It's profitable for him to shove almost anything.
11-05-2010 , 04:19 AM
^yep, reshove ainec
11-05-2010 , 05:15 AM
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300.00/t600.00 Blinds - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: t6790.00 11.32 BBs
Hero (MP): t4830.00 8.05 BBs
CO: t3250.00 5.42 BBs
BTN: t1915.00 3.19 BBs
SB: t4440.00 7.40 BBs
BB: t1565.00 2.61 BBs

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is MP with K T
1 fold, Hero raises to t4780, 2 folds, SB calls t4140 all in, BB calls t965 all in

Flop: (t10445) 2 T 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t10445) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t10445) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

This is a little bit too loose or? It is a 45man.
It is Chipev breakeven so i want to have a bit better Hand to shove right?
11-05-2010 , 05:25 AM
I guess ICM comes into play more here than if this was a 2/180 or something with these stacks. Am not reallly sure i like it given the buttons and bbs stacks...
11-05-2010 , 11:48 AM
i started using sngwiz a couple of days ago and came across following hand

PokerStars - $3+$0.25|800/1600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 15,918.00
Hero (BTN): 10,995.00
SB: 7,700.00
BB: 3,150.00
UTG: 4,947.00
MP: 24,790.00

CO posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, MP posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 800.00, BB posts BB 1,600.00

Pre Flop: (2850.00) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3,200.00, fold, Hero raises to 10,920.00 and is all-in


sngwiz says shove only JJ+
im kinda the opinion that is was a good shove as villain is often stealing (and kinda fearsome with the bigstack for the others) with a weak ace or something like that and if he happens to have AK+ oh well i guess

opinions on hand?
11-05-2010 , 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarheadian
push/fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3810)
UTG+1 (t1080)
Hero (MP1) (t2633)
MP2 (t1040)
MP3 (t2520)
CO (t7050)
Button (t2665)
SB (t3095)
BB (t2015)

Hero's M: 3.19

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t1055 (All-In),
we are happy to shove

Quote:
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300.00/t600.00 Blinds - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: t6790.00 11.32 BBs
Hero (MP): t4830.00 8.05 BBs
CO: t3250.00 5.42 BBs
BTN: t1915.00 3.19 BBs
SB: t4440.00 7.40 BBs
BB: t1565.00 2.61 BBs

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is MP with K T
1 fold, Hero raises to t4780, 2 folds, SB calls t4140 all in, BB calls t965 all in

Flop: (t10445) 2 T 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t10445) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t10445) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

This is a little bit too loose or? It is a 45man.
It is Chipev breakeven so i want to have a bit better Hand to shove right?
i think the shove is fine..as i'm learning to use sngwiz right now i'll do some sngwiz simulations and post what ive found out. Also if anybody is familiar with SNGWiz and could teach me the basics please pm me
11-05-2010 , 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsover9000!!
i started using sngwiz a couple of days ago and came across following hand

PokerStars - $3+$0.25|800/1600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 15,918.00
Hero (BTN): 10,995.00
SB: 7,700.00
BB: 3,150.00
UTG: 4,947.00
MP: 24,790.00

CO posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, MP posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 800.00, BB posts BB 1,600.00

Pre Flop: (2850.00) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3,200.00, fold, Hero raises to 10,920.00 and is all-in


sngwiz says shove only JJ+
im kinda the opinion that is was a good shove as villain is often stealing (and kinda fearsome with the bigstack for the others) with a weak ace or something like that and if he happens to have AK+ oh well i guess

opinions on hand?
From what I've heard SNGWiz sometimes puts out either very too tight or very too loose ranges, I don't exactly know why that is, its just what some good players told me. I think it depends alot on the player model you putin.
I think your AQ shove is standard. You know if there are any good SNGWiz tutorials on the forums?
11-05-2010 , 12:23 PM
Again about the KTo hand.
I plugged in the numbers in SNGWiz and the outcome somehow suprises me.


here I used the avarage playermodel for calling for everybody
which i think is much too loose. for example the button player should call there
with 28% of his hand which equals 22+,A2s+,K6s+,QTs+,JTs,A2o+,K9o+,QJo
i doubt he will ever call that light. Also the Player in the BB has a predefined calling range of 38% which is something like 22+,A2s+,K3s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A4o+,K7o+,Q8 o+,J9o+,T9o
again i doubt he will ever call that light.


in the 2nd scenerio i plugged in Very Tight and Tight calling ranges.
Again, even with a tight range button is supposed to call 22% if hands which i doubt he will.


in the last scenerio we can shove as i put in 2 players on v tight ranges but BB still on a very wide range. I played around with it and even when BB just calls 24% its still a shove.

So basicly it depends on how wide you think the CO and SB player are calling you.
Sorry if I did something wrong I'm just trying to learn how to use SNGWiz correctly.
11-05-2010 , 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarheadian
push/fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 25 Ante (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3810)
UTG+1 (t1080)
Hero (MP1) (t2633)
MP2 (t1040)
MP3 (t2520)
CO (t7050)
Button (t2665)
SB (t3095)
BB (t2015)

Hero's M: 3.19

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t1055 (All-In),
It wouldnt be a horrid fold but im snapping more often than not/depending on reads of your oppo, also take into account the BB here + wether or not you'll know he will stack off light here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Hero
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300.00/t600.00 Blinds - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

UTG: t6790.00 11.32 BBs
Hero (MP): t4830.00 8.05 BBs
CO: t3250.00 5.42 BBs
BTN: t1915.00 3.19 BBs
SB: t4440.00 7.40 BBs
BB: t1565.00 2.61 BBs

Pre Flop: (t900) Hero is MP with K T
1 fold, Hero raises to t4780, 2 folds, SB calls t4140 all in, BB calls t965 all in

Flop: (t10445) 2 T 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t10445) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t10445) 8 (3 players - 2 are all in)

This is a little bit too loose or? It is a 45man.
It is Chipev breakeven so i want to have a bit better Hand to shove right?
This is definatly a little wide here, we can pwn a lot of hands here id be comfortable shoving 55+ A7s A10, thats about the bottom of my range as the BB is all but commited here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsover9000!!
i started using sngwiz a couple of days ago and came across following hand

PokerStars - $3+$0.25|800/1600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 15,918.00
Hero (BTN): 10,995.00
SB: 7,700.00
BB: 3,150.00
UTG: 4,947.00
MP: 24,790.00

CO posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, MP posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 800.00, BB posts BB 1,600.00

Pre Flop: (2850.00) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3,200.00, fold, Hero raises to 10,920.00 and is all-in


sngwiz says shove only JJ+
im kinda the opinion that is was a good shove as villain is often stealing (and kinda fearsome with the bigstack for the others) with a weak ace or something like that and if he happens to have AK+ oh well i guess

opinions on hand?
Im re-shipping here nearly everytime unless vilain is a real nit.....
11-05-2010 , 06:07 PM
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $5,000(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($95,345)
BB ($50,098)
UTG ($42,329)
CO ($47,988)
BTN ($34,240)

Dealt to Hero A 5

fold, fold, BTN raises to $33,740 (AI), Hero raises to $94,845 (AI), fold

How bad is this repush against reg?
11-05-2010 , 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by koudis
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $5,000(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($95,345)
BB ($50,098)
UTG ($42,329)
CO ($47,988)
BTN ($34,240)

Dealt to Hero A 5

fold, fold, BTN raises to $33,740 (AI), Hero raises to $94,845 (AI), fold

How bad is this repush against reg?
level?

Nh
11-05-2010 , 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by koudis
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $5,000(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($95,345)
BB ($50,098)
UTG ($42,329)
CO ($47,988)
BTN ($34,240)

Dealt to Hero A 5

fold, fold, BTN raises to $33,740 (AI), Hero raises to $94,845 (AI), fold

How bad is this repush against reg?
Against a reg? Perfectly fine. He has 6bbs, and should be pushing nearly ATC there.

Against a random? It depends. Randoms often aren't positionally aware, and often don't shove wide enough in these spots. But even against most randoms this is probably fine.

It would be more interesting, imo, if we had equal stack sizes so our tournament was on the line. I think it would technically still be a call, but I wouldn't feel so good about it.
11-05-2010 , 07:26 PM
Im looking for help to improve my $4.40 180s game on Stars, as i believe those r an excelent option to build up a good roll and play micros-low stakes MTTs reducing a lot variance. I have played 187 games so far with losses of $274.88 (-33% ROI), and i want to stop this nonses and start a winning path.
I know there r some serious 180s non-turbos grinders out there and i need all the help i can get, please send me a PM to link u my HHS for a hands replayer site, i cant ask u to take note of each hand or play u think its wrong, just need to be aware of some of my major leaks: flatting too much, not 3bet him enough, passing out +cEV spots, open range too wide, playing too loose OOP, playing too tight in pos and stuff like that and maybe some other things i may be taking for granted, i will rly appreciate all the help i can get.

Personal Note: I dont know if posting here the links to my HHS its against the forums rules so, i rather talk to each of u personally.
11-05-2010 , 09:54 PM
Sry it was 180 12 bucks...
What about KTo in this case or little pair (never know i feel like it is all the time coin or cEV+...). I mean where is edge. I think main is K9s+ KTo+ JQo JQs A2s+ A2o+ 55+. Isnt too wide or too tight ?

      
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