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Old 07-05-2010, 12:52 PM   #101
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Re: *** Official 45 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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wat lol is this a level?
i think so.
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Old 07-05-2010, 12:59 PM   #102
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wat lol is this a level?
did you read the post?

24 left. and u want to call off in a super marginal spot that essentially is for all of our chips? If we had 20k here this is a call, ducy?
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:01 PM   #103
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did you read the post?

24 left. and u want to call off in a super marginal spot that essentially is for all of our chips? If we had 20k here this is a call, ducy?
Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.
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Old 07-05-2010, 01:31 PM   #104
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Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.

you do realize that this isn't a spot with like 45 ppl left or w/e? The fact that we are 6 from the $$ and risking our stack on a flip with no FE is really really bad. I'm not saying we are playing to min cash. i would rather avoid this flip and shove the next 5 hands in a row. As shoving it allways more +EV then this flip. Especially if we have the ppl left to act covered.


if we had 16k left or if we were itm im calling here all day.

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Old 07-05-2010, 02:14 PM   #105
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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SB: t3701 M = 12.34
BB: t4700 M = 15.67
UTG: t7270 M = 24.23
UTG+1: t7074 M = 23.58
Hero (MP1): t7335 M = 24.45
MP2: t3205 M = 10.68
CO: t2580 M = 8.60
BTN: t4425 M = 14.75

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with K A
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 raises to t800, Hero?

Caller and raiser are 25/8...once saw UTG+1 check three streets with flopped trips. I have shoved last three hands over limpers.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:19 PM   #106
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

what if it's reinforcing the fact that protential is incorrect in this specific hand, and that he should maybe ask 14-15 hsmtt pros their opinion before recanting on a 2/180 question?
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:20 PM   #107
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then point out where he is incorrect and why and I'll let it pass within reason
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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SB: t3701 M = 12.34
BB: t4700 M = 15.67
UTG: t7270 M = 24.23
UTG+1: t7074 M = 23.58
Hero (MP1): t7335 M = 24.45
MP2: t3205 M = 10.68
CO: t2580 M = 8.60
BTN: t4425 M = 14.75

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with K A
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 raises to t800, Hero?

Caller and raiser are 25/8...once saw UTG+1 check three streets with flopped trips. I have shoved last three hands over limpers.
shove.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:02 PM   #109
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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shove.
ainec??
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ainec??
you have ak. shove ainec
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you have ak. shove ainec
I was just wondering about colliding with another similar size stack with a drawing hand. Cool thx
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:41 PM   #112
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I was just wondering about colliding with another similar size stack with a drawing hand. Cool thx
I wouldn't really worry about this until you're at the FT. Plus your drawing hand is better than all the other drawing hands out there.
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:45 PM   #113
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Rate my shove and call here please.....


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
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Hero (UTG+1): t3160 M = 4.86
MP1: t4050 M = 6.23
MP2: t2475 M = 3.81
CO: t2670 M = 4.11
BTN: t3125 M = 4.81
SB: t16095 M = 24.76
BB: t5525 M = 8.50
UTG: t2330 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, Hero raises to t3135 all in


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MP1: t12771 M = 12.16
MP2: t10903 M = 10.38
CO: t4831 M = 4.60
BTN: t2240 M = 2.13
SB: t3795 M = 3.61
Hero (BB): t2060 M = 1.96
UTG: t2335 M = 2.22
UTG+1: t3025 M = 2.88
UTG+2: t3690 M = 3.51

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with 9 K
UTG raises to t2285 all in, 7 folds, Hero calls t1610 all in
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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Rate my shove and call here please.....


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Hero (UTG+1): t3160 M = 4.86
MP1: t4050 M = 6.23
MP2: t2475 M = 3.81
CO: t2670 M = 4.11
BTN: t3125 M = 4.81
SB: t16095 M = 24.76
BB: t5525 M = 8.50
UTG: t2330 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, Hero raises to t3135 all in


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP1: t12771 M = 12.16
MP2: t10903 M = 10.38
CO: t4831 M = 4.60
BTN: t2240 M = 2.13
SB: t3795 M = 3.61
Hero (BB): t2060 M = 1.96
UTG: t2335 M = 2.22
UTG+1: t3025 M = 2.88
UTG+2: t3690 M = 3.51

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with 9 K
UTG raises to t2285 all in, 7 folds, Hero calls t1610 all in


both fine. 2nd can be a fold vs a ubernit but i doubt it.
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:36 AM   #115
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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SB: t31855 M = 13.27
BB: t29377 M = 12.24
UTG: t22583 M = 9.41
UTG+1: t30158 M = 12.57
UTG+2: t22364 M = 9.32
MP1: t17198 M = 7.17
Hero (MP2): t31714 M = 13.21
CO: t75098 M = 31.29
BTN: t9653 M = 4.02

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is MP2 with K J
4 folds, Hero raises to t2250, 1 fold, BTN raises to t5000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t31614 all in, BTN calls t4553 all in

Flop: (t21506) 4 K 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t21506) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t21506) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Is this raise situation?KJ pretty strong hand but do we want to raise if we know that shortstack will push and we will have to call?I think there would be much less doubt if your stack would be like 50K but with 30BB do we raise here?
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

the open is fine so is getting it in vs a 10BB stack
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:25 AM   #117
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Thanks, furo.

Would be interested in your hearing your thoughts on the hand I posted earlier (post#94).

There seems to be a bit of a disagreement on wether to call or fold.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:40 AM   #118
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

if he shoves ATC or close to it its a snapcall
bubbling means nothing in a 180 and you should take every +cEV spot with these M until to the later stages (13-14 left between bigstacks and on the FT)
even if the spot is cEV neutral i would call to have more FE for future spots.
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Old 07-06-2010, 09:56 AM   #119
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Thanks again, furo.

EDIT: Just finished reading your 180 guide. Great stuff.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:41 AM   #120
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Re: *** Official 45 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.
I have to disagree. Can't call off with JT when active villains are usually smart enough to expect us to call off with any JQ+, K7+, and any ace or pair. He's not shoving THAT light here. It's too close to call.
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:48 AM   #121
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

45 turbo bubble hands.Ranges?:


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MP2: t5213 M = 3.16
CO: t8765 M = 5.31
BTN: t12580 M = 7.62
SB: t1855 M = 1.12
Hero (BB): t7728 M = 4.68
UTG: t7665 M = 4.65
UTG+1: t1066 M = 0.65
UTG+2: t5015 M = 3.04
MP1: t17613 M = 10.67

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is BB with
UTG raises to t7615 all in, UTG+1 calls t1016 all in, 6 folds,Hero





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UTG+1: t5088 M = 2.12
MP1: t11040 M = 4.60
MP2: t12455 M = 5.19
CO: t1330 M = 0.55
Hero (BTN): t6203 M = 2.58
SB: t9006 M = 3.75
BB: t4890 M = 2.04
UTG: t17488 M = 7.29

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is BTN with
3 folds, MP2 raises to t4800, 1 fold,Hero




Bubble just burst:


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BTN: t4788 M = 2.06
SB: t14770 M = 6.35
BB: t13355 M = 5.74
Hero (UTG): t5903 M = 2.54
UTG+1: t10506 M = 4.52
MP: t2790 M = 1.20
CO: t15388 M = 6.62

Pre Flop: (t2325) Hero is UTG with
Hero
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Old 07-06-2010, 10:52 AM   #122
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

2.20 180 what is hero's calling range here ???



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CO: t1625 M = 1.71
BTN: t6065 M = 6.38
Hero (SB): t6480 M = 6.82
BB: t7577 M = 7.98
UTG: t3590 M = 3.78
UTG+1: t3390 M = 3.57
MP: t10445 M = 10.99

Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is SB with X X
UTG raises to t3540 all in, 4 folds
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Old 07-06-2010, 04:46 PM   #123
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

im a micro cash player looking to move into these 180's to learn the art of mtt's. where should my learnings start ? i read a few pages of this thread and i get the impression you lot kinda have a chart or some kinda guide to your play. as a cash player my skillz are obvious not going to work so whats the big things to be thinking about. please link me to what ever you can think of to start thx. btw i'm new to this site so be gentle with me
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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2.20 180 what is hero's calling range here ???



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CO: t1625 M = 1.71
BTN: t6065 M = 6.38
Hero (SB): t6480 M = 6.82
BB: t7577 M = 7.98
UTG: t3590 M = 3.78
UTG+1: t3390 M = 3.57
MP: t10445 M = 10.99

Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is SB with X X
UTG raises to t3540 all in, 4 folds

could need some reads but 77+ AJo seems ok to me, widen it to A9, KQ, 55 if he is wide
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im a micro cash player looking to move into these 180's to learn the art of mtt's. where should my learnings start ? i read a few pages of this thread and i get the impression you lot kinda have a chart or some kinda guide to your play. as a cash player my skillz are obvious not going to work so whats the big things to be thinking about. please link me to what ever you can think of to start thx. btw i'm new to this site so be gentle with me
if you want to play non turbos (4.40 and 10+1 $ BI on Stars) you can use the guide on the first side

for turbos just get a pushbotting chart (use the search function) cause its not more than pushbotting once you reach 100/200 (until then you can play with the non turbo guide imo)
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