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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
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235 34.92%
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413 61.37%
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25 3.71%

07-05-2010 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smaug8821
wat lol is this a level?
i think so.
07-05-2010 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smaug8821
wat lol is this a level?
did you read the post?

24 left. and u want to call off in a super marginal spot that essentially is for all of our chips? If we had 20k here this is a call, ducy?
07-05-2010 , 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protential
did you read the post?

24 left. and u want to call off in a super marginal spot that essentially is for all of our chips? If we had 20k here this is a call, ducy?
Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.
07-05-2010 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smaug8821
Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.

you do realize that this isn't a spot with like 45 ppl left or w/e? The fact that we are 6 from the $$ and risking our stack on a flip with no FE is really really bad. I'm not saying we are playing to min cash. i would rather avoid this flip and shove the next 5 hands in a row. As shoving it allways more +EV then this flip. Especially if we have the ppl left to act covered.


if we had 16k left or if we were itm im calling here all day.

Last edited by Protential; 07-05-2010 at 01:39 PM.
07-05-2010 , 02:14 PM
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t3701 M = 12.34
BB: t4700 M = 15.67
UTG: t7270 M = 24.23
UTG+1: t7074 M = 23.58
Hero (MP1): t7335 M = 24.45
MP2: t3205 M = 10.68
CO: t2580 M = 8.60
BTN: t4425 M = 14.75

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with K A
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 raises to t800, Hero?

Caller and raiser are 25/8...once saw UTG+1 check three streets with flopped trips. I have shoved last three hands over limpers.
07-05-2010 , 02:19 PM
what if it's reinforcing the fact that protential is incorrect in this specific hand, and that he should maybe ask 14-15 hsmtt pros their opinion before recanting on a 2/180 question?
07-05-2010 , 02:20 PM
then point out where he is incorrect and why and I'll let it pass within reason
07-05-2010 , 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigensa
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t3701 M = 12.34
BB: t4700 M = 15.67
UTG: t7270 M = 24.23
UTG+1: t7074 M = 23.58
Hero (MP1): t7335 M = 24.45
MP2: t3205 M = 10.68
CO: t2580 M = 8.60
BTN: t4425 M = 14.75

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP1 with K A
UTG calls t200, UTG+1 raises to t800, Hero?

Caller and raiser are 25/8...once saw UTG+1 check three streets with flopped trips. I have shoved last three hands over limpers.
shove.
07-05-2010 , 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protential
shove.
ainec??
07-05-2010 , 05:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigensa
ainec??
you have ak. shove ainec
07-05-2010 , 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnydunerz
you have ak. shove ainec
I was just wondering about colliding with another similar size stack with a drawing hand. Cool thx
07-05-2010 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by craigensa
I was just wondering about colliding with another similar size stack with a drawing hand. Cool thx
I wouldn't really worry about this until you're at the FT. Plus your drawing hand is better than all the other drawing hands out there.
07-05-2010 , 08:45 PM
Rate my shove and call here please.....


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG+1): t3160 M = 4.86
MP1: t4050 M = 6.23
MP2: t2475 M = 3.81
CO: t2670 M = 4.11
BTN: t3125 M = 4.81
SB: t16095 M = 24.76
BB: t5525 M = 8.50
UTG: t2330 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, Hero raises to t3135 all in


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP1: t12771 M = 12.16
MP2: t10903 M = 10.38
CO: t4831 M = 4.60
BTN: t2240 M = 2.13
SB: t3795 M = 3.61
Hero (BB): t2060 M = 1.96
UTG: t2335 M = 2.22
UTG+1: t3025 M = 2.88
UTG+2: t3690 M = 3.51

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with 9 K
UTG raises to t2285 all in, 7 folds, Hero calls t1610 all in
07-06-2010 , 03:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiftuk
Rate my shove and call here please.....


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG+1): t3160 M = 4.86
MP1: t4050 M = 6.23
MP2: t2475 M = 3.81
CO: t2670 M = 4.11
BTN: t3125 M = 4.81
SB: t16095 M = 24.76
BB: t5525 M = 8.50
UTG: t2330 M = 3.58

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is UTG+1 with Q J
1 fold, Hero raises to t3135 all in


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t12771 M = 12.16
MP2: t10903 M = 10.38
CO: t4831 M = 4.60
BTN: t2240 M = 2.13
SB: t3795 M = 3.61
Hero (BB): t2060 M = 1.96
UTG: t2335 M = 2.22
UTG+1: t3025 M = 2.88
UTG+2: t3690 M = 3.51

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is BB with 9 K
UTG raises to t2285 all in, 7 folds, Hero calls t1610 all in


both fine. 2nd can be a fold vs a ubernit but i doubt it.
07-06-2010 , 04:36 AM
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t31855 M = 13.27
BB: t29377 M = 12.24
UTG: t22583 M = 9.41
UTG+1: t30158 M = 12.57
UTG+2: t22364 M = 9.32
MP1: t17198 M = 7.17
Hero (MP2): t31714 M = 13.21
CO: t75098 M = 31.29
BTN: t9653 M = 4.02

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is MP2 with K J
4 folds, Hero raises to t2250, 1 fold, BTN raises to t5000, 2 folds, Hero raises to t31614 all in, BTN calls t4553 all in

Flop: (t21506) 4 K 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t21506) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t21506) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Is this raise situation?KJ pretty strong hand but do we want to raise if we know that shortstack will push and we will have to call?I think there would be much less doubt if your stack would be like 50K but with 30BB do we raise here?
07-06-2010 , 05:01 AM
the open is fine so is getting it in vs a 10BB stack
07-06-2010 , 09:25 AM
Thanks, furo.

Would be interested in your hearing your thoughts on the hand I posted earlier (post#94).

There seems to be a bit of a disagreement on wether to call or fold.
07-06-2010 , 09:40 AM
if he shoves ATC or close to it its a snapcall
bubbling means nothing in a 180 and you should take every +cEV spot with these M until to the later stages (13-14 left between bigstacks and on the FT)
even if the spot is cEV neutral i would call to have more FE for future spots.
07-06-2010 , 09:56 AM
Thanks again, furo.

EDIT: Just finished reading your 180 guide. Great stuff.
07-06-2010 , 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by smaug8821
Doubt I'm ever not playing for all the chips in a 180. If you're ahead of his range in a spot like this you should be calling. 180s are definitely not something you want to chainsaw.
I have to disagree. Can't call off with JT when active villains are usually smart enough to expect us to call off with any JQ+, K7+, and any ace or pair. He's not shoving THAT light here. It's too close to call.
07-06-2010 , 10:48 AM
45 turbo bubble hands.Ranges?:


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t5213 M = 3.16
CO: t8765 M = 5.31
BTN: t12580 M = 7.62
SB: t1855 M = 1.12
Hero (BB): t7728 M = 4.68
UTG: t7665 M = 4.65
UTG+1: t1066 M = 0.65
UTG+2: t5015 M = 3.04
MP1: t17613 M = 10.67

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is BB with
UTG raises to t7615 all in, UTG+1 calls t1016 all in, 6 folds,Hero





Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
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UTG+1: t5088 M = 2.12
MP1: t11040 M = 4.60
MP2: t12455 M = 5.19
CO: t1330 M = 0.55
Hero (BTN): t6203 M = 2.58
SB: t9006 M = 3.75
BB: t4890 M = 2.04
UTG: t17488 M = 7.29

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is BTN with
3 folds, MP2 raises to t4800, 1 fold,Hero




Bubble just burst:


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 7 players
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BTN: t4788 M = 2.06
SB: t14770 M = 6.35
BB: t13355 M = 5.74
Hero (UTG): t5903 M = 2.54
UTG+1: t10506 M = 4.52
MP: t2790 M = 1.20
CO: t15388 M = 6.62

Pre Flop: (t2325) Hero is UTG with
Hero
07-06-2010 , 10:52 AM
2.20 180 what is hero's calling range here ???



Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 7 players
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CO: t1625 M = 1.71
BTN: t6065 M = 6.38
Hero (SB): t6480 M = 6.82
BB: t7577 M = 7.98
UTG: t3590 M = 3.78
UTG+1: t3390 M = 3.57
MP: t10445 M = 10.99

Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is SB with X X
UTG raises to t3540 all in, 4 folds
07-06-2010 , 04:46 PM
im a micro cash player looking to move into these 180's to learn the art of mtt's. where should my learnings start ? i read a few pages of this thread and i get the impression you lot kinda have a chart or some kinda guide to your play. as a cash player my skillz are obvious not going to work so whats the big things to be thinking about. please link me to what ever you can think of to start thx. btw i'm new to this site so be gentle with me
07-06-2010 , 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank&Beans
2.20 180 what is hero's calling range here ???



Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t1625 M = 1.71
BTN: t6065 M = 6.38
Hero (SB): t6480 M = 6.82
BB: t7577 M = 7.98
UTG: t3590 M = 3.78
UTG+1: t3390 M = 3.57
MP: t10445 M = 10.99

Pre Flop: (t950) Hero is SB with X X
UTG raises to t3540 all in, 4 folds

could need some reads but 77+ AJo seems ok to me, widen it to A9, KQ, 55 if he is wide
07-06-2010 , 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by isttop
im a micro cash player looking to move into these 180's to learn the art of mtt's. where should my learnings start ? i read a few pages of this thread and i get the impression you lot kinda have a chart or some kinda guide to your play. as a cash player my skillz are obvious not going to work so whats the big things to be thinking about. please link me to what ever you can think of to start thx. btw i'm new to this site so be gentle with me
if you want to play non turbos (4.40 and 10+1 $ BI on Stars) you can use the guide on the first side

for turbos just get a pushbotting chart (use the search function) cause its not more than pushbotting once you reach 100/200 (until then you can play with the non turbo guide imo)

      
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