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correct push ?

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t100 - 3 players - View hand 905350
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: t43360 M = 13.14
BTN: t3180 M = 0.96
Hero (SB): t20960 M = 6.35

Pre Flop: (t3300) Hero is SB with A

BTN raises to t3080 all in, Hero raises to t20860 all in, BB calls t18860

Flop: (t45100) T

(3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t45100) 4

(3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t45100) 7

(3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t45100
BB shows J

(a pair of Jacks)
BTN shows 7

(two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Hero shows A

(a pair of Sevens)
BB wins t35560
BTN wins t9540

09-05-2010 , 10:45 AM

#827

not2secure4u

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,539

I am having difficulties to conceptualize the whole thing. I know when I should pf in 45 man , and I know that you should push wider in 180 and tighter in 18 mans but do you guys ( who play 18m / 45/ 180m at the same time) see the pushing as a continuous line or when working on your game ( 18m/45m/180m) you set anchor points on what to shove from where ?

Its probably a weird question but I am hoping for some interested conversation in this.

09-05-2010 , 04:20 PM

#828

reedhelvet

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolak2

BTN raises to t3080 all in, Hero raises to t20860 all in, BB calls t18860

Flop: (t45100) T

(3 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t45100) 4

(3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t45100) 7

(3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t45100
BB shows J

(a pair of Jacks)
BTN shows 7

(two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Hero shows A

(a pair of Sevens)
BB wins t35560
BTN wins t9540

Getting a bit results oriented here, are we?

This is superstandard.

09-05-2010 , 07:55 PM

#829

PokerBreed

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,689

Quote:

Originally Posted by skater3598

#1 is a shove? i'd fold. either way saying it's a shove and not mentioning any math is just arrogant seeming. cmon you can set a good precedent for your first stickied thread with some math instead of encouraging all these awful personalities to come out and boast about how easy of a shove that is, or whatever. big LOL at the egos ITT i bet you all talk a lot of **** while playing too (like me!)... having a big ego about this **** is so repulsive... it is no real suprise that a game that's easy as **** has fathered a bunch of thousandaire ****head kids as scummy as the average 21 year old live 1/2 grinder who think they're the ****... protential i'm not aiming this at you at all, just got caught up reading this thread for too long and given the chance to bitch at a bunch of arrogant SNG players in an elongated form i'm going to take it. please keep repeating your mistakes and berating the fish everyone, you awesome poker guize.

damnnn man, had a bad day?

I agree with you that 1 is a fold tho so don't come after me!

Last edited by PokerBreed; 09-05-2010 at 07:55 PM. Reason: or else I'll tear you apart lol

09-05-2010 , 09:59 PM

#830

Birkin

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,362

This was vs a reg (maybe 2+2 not sure). He later claimed in the chat that his call was "standard vs any reg". Thoughts?

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t3000.00/t6000.00 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): t114058.00 19.01 BBs
BB: t155942.00 25.99 BBs

Pre Flop: (t9000) Hero is BTN/SB with J

Hero raises to t113458, BB calls t107458

Flop: (t226916) 2

(2 players)

Turn: (t226916) T

(2 players)

River: (t226916) K

(2 players)

Final Pot: t226916
Hero shows J

BB shows 8

Hero wins t228116.00
(Rake: t-1200)

09-06-2010 , 03:54 AM

#831

poporella

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birkin

Hero raises to t113458, BB calls t107458

Flop: (t226916) 2

(2 players)

Turn: (t226916) T

(2 players)

River: (t226916) K

(2 players)

Final Pot: t226916
Hero shows J

BB shows 8

Hero wins t228116.00
(Rake: t-1200)

You have to be pushing +60% from the button to make the call worth it in relation to the softness of the games. In my optionon good regs have tightened up their pushing ranges from the BTN if they had more than 10BB or less than like 6BB. They wont push 60-70% imo, at least i dont! ( i play 45er)

09-06-2010 , 04:44 AM

#832

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birkin

This was vs a reg (maybe 2+2 not sure). He later claimed in the chat that his call was "standard vs any reg". Thoughts?

if you shove ATC its standard. but he prolly just sucks HU and wants to gamble.

09-06-2010 , 05:31 AM

#833

poporella

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oh this was HU, lol, missed that.

09-06-2010 , 11:13 AM

#834

Glustler

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 170

what is a good ROI on the 6,50 en 3,25 45 man on pokerstars?

09-06-2010 , 11:55 AM

#835

not2secure4u

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,539

top player probably have about 20% on the 6.5's and 35%ish on the 3's. (Didnt look the numbers up so its an educated guess). So anything thats half of that is really good.

09-06-2010 , 12:18 PM

#836

Glustler

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 170

and what is a decent samplesize too have a look at my ROI?

09-06-2010 , 01:52 PM

#837

not2secure4u

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,539

ATLEAST 1000, prefer 3000, 5k is almost the nuts

09-06-2010 , 02:15 PM

#838

poporella

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glustler

what is a good ROI on the 6,50 en 3,25 45 man on pokerstars?

Quote:

Originally Posted by not2secure4u

top player probably have about 20% on the 6.5's and 35%ish on the 3's. (Didnt look the numbers up so its an educated guess). So anything thats half of that is really good.

well 30% is too much for the $3.25.
25% for the $3.25 and about 21% for the $6.5. ( Imo that is top of the roof atm)
Games dryed up a bit the last view month.
Minimum 3k of games to estimate somewhat of a realistic roi.

09-06-2010 , 10:55 PM

#839

IamPro

one time Plz???

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 17,652

Quote:

Originally Posted by not2secure4u

I would like to know this, I have trouble mixing and tightening my shoving in non 180s

Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

Games dried up months ago lol

Also more tables = lower ROI but higher hourly (which is the most important)

09-06-2010 , 11:01 PM

#840

Vivi57

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 278

what kind of roi is possible at the 2.2 turbo 180 mans on stars?

09-07-2010 , 05:14 AM

#841

poporella

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IamPro

Games dried up months ago lol

depend on whats your level,

09-07-2010 , 05:29 AM

#842

poporella

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,186

what do you prefer, open raise or push in these spots:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) +$25 ante Replayer
SB ($4,396)
BB ($4,707)
UTG ($11,495)
Hero ($5,849)
UTG+2 ($2,654)
CO ($4,580)
BTN ($2,940)

Dealt to Hero A

fold, Hero raise or push?

push or fold 45er FT:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1,200(BB) Replayer
SB ($5,513)
BB ($8,515)
UTG ($15,125)
UTG+1 ($7,010)
UTG+2 ($17,805)
CO ($8,302)
Hero ($5,230)

Dealt to Hero 8

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $3,600, fold, fold, fold

Last edited by poporella; 09-07-2010 at 05:52 AM.

09-07-2010 , 05:31 AM

#843

davethedave2

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,397

Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

In the 3.25's some people doing 30% on 2010 SS leaderboard over decent sample, still trying to work out their secret. 35% is not doable any more imo. With 12+ tables, anything approaching 25% is probably good.

For the 2.2 180s, id guess 50% is achievable.

09-07-2010 , 05:46 AM

#844

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

fold, Hero raise or push?

minraise/call all

09-07-2010 , 05:55 AM

#845

Glustler

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

minraise/call all

I raise here.
Shove will never get a call by a weaker hand.

09-07-2010 , 05:57 AM

#846

Glustler

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by poporella

push or fold 45er FT:

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1,200(BB) Replayer
SB ($5,513)
BB ($8,515)
UTG ($15,125)
UTG+1 ($7,010)
UTG+2 ($17,805)
CO ($8,302)
Hero ($5,230)

Dealt to Hero 8

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $3,600, fold, fold, fold

pretty tough spot.
i think its a fold . I rather go all in myself then calling a all in with a marginal hand with no folding equity

Last edited by Glustler; 09-07-2010 at 06:03 AM.

09-07-2010 , 06:27 AM

#847

nejuokai

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 694

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: t19197 M = 11.63
CO: t24187 M = 14.66
BTN: t36344 M = 22.03
Hero (SB): t11976 M = 7.26
BB: t25530 M = 15.47
UTG: t31538 M = 19.11

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is SB with 2

4 folds, Hero raises to t11901 all in, BB calls t11101

Flop: (t24252) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t24252) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t24252) 9

(2 players - 1 is all in)

This one ain't turbo.Each blind level goes 15 minutes.If it helps on that hand blind level would be up to 500/1000 in 1 minute.Is this still no brainer and pretty much mandatory shove?Villain seems kind of player who would fold hands like KT and weaker and prob some weak A type of hands.

09-07-2010 , 06:48 AM

#848

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

Quote:

Originally Posted by nejuokai

4 folds, Hero raises to t11901 all in, BB calls t11101

Flop: (t24252) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t24252) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t24252) 9

std shove unless he knows whats going on BvB.

also no difference in busting 17th or 10th in these since it pays the same.
comign to the FT with 10k chips is no fun.
so yea take every spot you can get.