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06-28-2010 , 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
It's a classic super +cev / meh $ev spot with 10/11 left. I feel that SB is on 75%+. I timebanked all the way down in great pain



Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): t7243 M = 6.30
UTG: t6524 M = 5.67
CO: t5024 M = 4.37
BTN: t5176 M = 4.50
SB: t6189 M = 5.38

Pre Flop: (t1150) Hero is BB with T Q
3 folds, SB raises to t6139 all in, 1 fold
75% really?? Is he a reg? That seems a little wide for a micro-donk. I don't know what wiz would say, but i'm folding this probably. You still have plenty of equity after folding. Shoving in the future seems better than gtd showdown now.
06-29-2010 , 03:24 PM
I found this thread a very useful idea from protential.

I'm posting in this thread to seek answers but mainly to respectfully suggest that this thread should give a sticky, for all users to see that there is this place to post preflop 180man questions.

Now to the hand:

Given that folding and 3-bet/folding are not good options, what should Hero do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 (t1255)
MP1 (t1370)
MP2 (t1345)
MP3 (t2735)
CO (t8585)
Hero (Button) (t2350)
SB (t4205)
BB (t295)
UTG (t2830)

Hero's M: 52.22

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
1 fold, UTG+1 bets t150, MP1 calls t150, 2 folds, CO calls t150 , Hero calls or squeezes allin????
06-29-2010 , 03:29 PM
you have a comfortable stack, i have become bit more conservative early. if you think he calls a shove with AQ then shove, otherwise i cold call, you get more out of dominated hands this way.

edit: Ohh just see you have Jj, thought it was AK....then i tend more to a squeeze.

Last edited by poporella; 06-29-2010 at 03:36 PM.
06-29-2010 , 03:33 PM
Sb has tagish stats, can we call if he iso shoves here?

pretty sure im normally snapping

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t11515 M = 4.80
MP2: t5706 M = 2.38
CO: t12813 M = 5.34
BTN: t4415 M = 1.84
SB: t9616 M = 4.01
Hero (BB): t6975 M = 2.91
UTG: t11920 M = 4.97
UTG+1: t6580 M = 2.74
UTG+2: t19288 M = 8.04

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is BB with A 6
6 folds, BTN raises to t4315 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t3315

Flop: (t10030) 3 J A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t10030) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t10030) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)
06-29-2010 , 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gato_Vago
I found this thread a very useful idea from protential.

I'm posting in this thread to seek answers but mainly to respectfully suggest that this thread should give a sticky, for all users to see that there is this place to post preflop 180man questions.
I disagree. If I have a hand, im still going to post its own thread, as will get more views and opinions that way. This forum from what I can gather has always been for people to post spots and hands, so why try to cluster them all in 1 thread?
06-30-2010 , 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulieWlnuts
Sb has tagish stats, can we call if he iso shoves here?

pretty sure im normally snapping

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t100 - 9 players
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MP1: t11515 M = 4.80
MP2: t5706 M = 2.38
CO: t12813 M = 5.34
BTN: t4415 M = 1.84
SB: t9616 M = 4.01
Hero (BB): t6975 M = 2.91
UTG: t11920 M = 4.97
UTG+1: t6580 M = 2.74
UTG+2: t19288 M = 8.04

Pre Flop: (t2400) Hero is BB with A 6
6 folds, BTN raises to t4315 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t3315

Flop: (t10030) 3 J A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t10030) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t10030) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

should be a good overcall if they're competent.


This villain shoved a lot during this 2/180 FT,the others didn't.Range here?:


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2500/t5000 Blinds + t500 - 4 players
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Hero (BB): t55758 M = 5.87
CO: t51886 M = 5.46
BTN: t37774 M = 3.98
SB: t124582 M = 13.11

Pre Flop: (t9500) Hero is BB with
2 folds, SB raises to t124082 all in,


Another one from a 12/180 FT.All of these villains seemed very nitty,giving walks and folding a bunch.Range?:


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2500/t5000 Blinds + t500 - 4 players
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CO: t39944 M = 4.20
BTN: t122320 M = 12.88
SB: t25044 M = 2.64
Hero (BB): t82692 M = 8.70

Pre Flop: (t9500) Hero is BB with
2 folds, SB raises to t24544 all in,


Also,I don't think stickying this thread would be a bad idea
07-02-2010 , 06:10 AM
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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Hero (MP2): t1500 M = 50
CO: t1490 M = 49.67
BTN: t1460 M = 48.67
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1890 M = 63
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1180 M = 39.33
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP2 with K Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero raises to t75, CO calls t75, 2 folds, BB calls t55, UTG+1 calls t55

Flop: (t310) 2 K T (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t275, CO calls t275, BB calls t275, UTG+1 folds

Turn: (t1135) 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1150 all in, CO folds, BB folds

Mainly interested in pre-flop actions.It's not turbo so what do you think about isolating early position limpers with hands like that?I ussually fold like KQ or AJ when I am in early position and limper(s) also from early position but always raising with that when I am in MP or LP.What do you think?
07-02-2010 , 06:17 AM
But i has top top..... villain was a random playing this and a 2 180



Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t1500 M = 50
CO: t1540 M = 51.33
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1630 M = 54.33
Hero (UTG): t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
UTG+2: t1380 M = 46
MP1: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, MP1 calls t60, 3 folds, SB calls t50, 1 fold

Flop: (t200) 6 Q K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, MP1 calls t120, SB calls t120

Turn: (t560) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets t420, SB folds, [color=red]Hero ?
07-02-2010 , 06:22 AM
I would keep value towning myself on that turn. As played I prolly c/c turn and river.
07-02-2010 , 06:22 AM
I'd bet turn and obv stack off,as played I'd still shoved over MP1 turn bet.
07-02-2010 , 06:23 AM
bet turn, as played hero shoves.
07-02-2010 , 06:24 AM



Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1500 M = 50
CO: t1540 M = 51.33
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1630 M = 54.33
Hero (UTG): t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
UTG+2: t1380 M = 46
MP1: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to t60, 2 folds, MP1 calls t60, 3 folds, SB calls t50, 1 fold

Flop: (t200) 6 Q K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120, MP1 calls t120, SB calls t120

Turn: (t560) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets t420, SB folds, Hero raises to t1320 all in, MP1 folds

Final Pot: t1400
Hero wins t1400

Prolly should of done this tho

Quote:
I would keep value towning myself on that turn. As played I prolly c/c turn and river.

Last edited by pig; 07-02-2010 at 06:30 AM.
07-02-2010 , 06:33 AM
Bet turn, as played call and shove any non-c river. If it's a club, I'm still likely to c/crycall.
07-02-2010 , 12:16 PM
12/180 ITM about 15 left

UTG+2 is 16/12/1
SB is 26/15/inf

Range for getting it in here?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($54,544)
Hero ($59,181)
UTG ($41,882)
UTG+1 ($3,829)
UTG+2 ($27,853)
CO ($32,572)
BTN ($50,139)

Dealt to Hero X X

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $27,453 (AI), fold, fold, SB calls $25,453, , Hero shoves with?
07-02-2010 , 12:25 PM
^^ Pretty damn tight I'd say.

SB's decision to call instead of iso looks very suspicious to me.
07-02-2010 , 03:50 PM
oker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG: t4040 M = 89.78
UTG+1: t2690 M = 59.78
UTG+2: t980 M = 21.78
MP1: t8360 M = 185.78
MP2: t825 M = 18.33
CO: t3485 M = 77.44
Hero (BTN): t9040 M = 200.89
SB: t1825 M = 40.56
BB: t1450 M = 32.22

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with K K
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t180, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t150, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold

Flop: (t615) 7 T Q (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t150, Hero calls t150, UTG+2 folds

Turn: (t915) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets t30, Hero raises to t630, MP1 calls t600

River: (t2175) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets t2730, Hero folds

This one was pretty tough for me,I rarely(almost never at this level) have a stack like this and facing other stack,so just overpair I think isn't enough here.What he's betting that big on the river after dropping minbet and calling pot size reraise on the turn?How to know if I am good here?
07-02-2010 , 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nejuokai
oker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t4040 M = 89.78
UTG+1: t2690 M = 59.78
UTG+2: t980 M = 21.78
MP1: t8360 M = 185.78
MP2: t825 M = 18.33
CO: t3485 M = 77.44
Hero (BTN): t9040 M = 200.89
SB: t1825 M = 40.56
BB: t1450 M = 32.22

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN with K K
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, Hero raises to t180, 2 folds, UTG+2 calls t150, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold

Flop: (t615) 7 T Q (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t150, Hero calls t150, UTG+2 folds

Turn: (t915) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets t30, Hero raises to t630, MP1 calls t600

River: (t2175) 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets t2730, Hero folds

This one was pretty tough for me,I rarely(almost never at this level) have a stack like this and facing other stack,so just overpair I think isn't enough here.What he's betting that big on the river after dropping minbet and calling pot size reraise on the turn?How to know if I am good here?
You have to raise that flop bet here and I would call a flop shove because he will re-shove a lot of draws here and stack with top pair.As played I would raise the turn and fold the river.If you raised the flop more and he flats and does that same bet on the turn I shove the turn.
07-02-2010 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCFCRulz
Im confused why people are being told to shove 77 and other average hands UTG with 15BB's. Put a standard raise in.
+1, but this forum likes to start shoving way too soon.
07-02-2010 , 08:11 PM
first hand 45 man is this ok?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t1500 M = 50
SB: t1500 M = 50
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
Hero (UTG+2): t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1500 M = 50
MP2: t1500 M = 50
CO: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+2 with K K
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t100

Flop: (t530) T 6 7 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t240, MP1 calls t240, MP2 calls t240, UTG+1 calls t240

Turn: (t1490) 2 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1140 all in, MP1 calls t1140 all in, MP2 folds, UTG+1 folds

River: (t3770) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)
07-02-2010 , 08:16 PM
size flop bigger,360-400 or so.
07-02-2010 , 08:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorrybadbeat
You have to raise that flop bet here and I would call a flop shove because he will re-shove a lot of draws here and stack with top pair.As played I would raise the turn and fold the river.If you raised the flop more and he flats and does that same bet on the turn I shove the turn.
they're almost 300bbs deep,stacking off with one pair can't be too good on the flop.I'd still raise flop and expect them to call with lots of worse hands.
07-02-2010 , 08:39 PM
I'm sure this has been asked before, but I know a bunch of you guys just register for every one of these between certain times of day so I'm wondering on average what % of the field in a 45/90/180 are regs? Not saying that makes them unbeatable or anything, regs suck etc, just curious?
07-02-2010 , 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pukerz
12/180 ITM about 15 left

UTG+2 is 16/12/1
SB is 26/15/inf

Range for getting it in here?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4,000(BB) Replayer
SB ($54,544)
Hero ($59,181)
UTG ($41,882)
UTG+1 ($3,829)
UTG+2 ($27,853)
CO ($32,572)
BTN ($50,139)

Dealt to Hero X X

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $27,453 (AI), fold, fold, SB calls $25,453, , Hero shoves with?
QQ+ and prob AK

not sure i could fold jacks though...
07-02-2010 , 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xkf
first hand 45 man is this ok?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t1500 M = 50
SB: t1500 M = 50
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
Hero (UTG+2): t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1500 M = 50
MP2: t1500 M = 50
CO: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG+2 with K K
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 calls t120, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls t100

Flop: (t530) T 6 7 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t240, MP1 calls t240, MP2 calls t240, UTG+1 calls t240

Turn: (t1490) 2 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1140 all in, MP1 calls t1140 all in, MP2 folds, UTG+1 folds

River: (t3770) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)
yeah but bet like 350 OTF
07-03-2010 , 04:33 PM
3rebuy/180

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG+2): t10925 M = 8.09
MP1: t13950 M = 10.33
MP2: t6675 M = 4.94
CO: t10300 M = 7.63
BTN: t15605 M = 11.56
SB: t12230 M = 9.06
BB: t14218 M = 10.53
UTG: t20090 M = 14.88
UTG+1: t11235 M = 8.32

Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG+2 with K Q
2 folds, [color=red]Hero jams, min raise/folds, folds, raise/calls?

      
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