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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
Yes
235 34.92%
No
413 61.37%
Other (post comment)
25 3.71%

08-01-2010 , 03:34 PM
The AKo is probably a profitable shove pre but might be more profitable to flat and play post, hard to say since it's pretty dependent on the specific player in a $3 90.

As for the ATo, I'd say the iso is probably profitable with such a small stack there, but a little deeper it would probably be a spew into 6 players behind.
08-01-2010 , 08:32 PM
I'm having problems (I think) adjusting my calling/shoving ranges to suit the bad play in the 1.2/18's. can someone point me in the right direction? I'm currently grinding a roll, so I don't have the $$ to buy sng wiz yet, but I have sngpt as of right now, but I don't know how to use it effectively yet. I'll post some hands later, gotta run right now.
08-01-2010 , 11:34 PM
2/180

Only 1 orbit with villain and he hasn't played a hand yet.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t14285 M = 1.98
SB: t24010 M = 3.33
BB: t12593 M = 1.75
UTG: t15100 M = 2.10
UTG+1: t56575 M = 7.86
UTG+2: t49360 M = 6.86
MP1: t61017 M = 8.47
MP2: t28634 M = 3.98
CO: t8426 M = 1.17

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is BTN with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t12000, 4 folds, Hero

I know it looks like a snap but ICM says I need JJ+, AK if utg1 is opening < top 15%, and I doubt he's too light here raising into the shorty in the BB from EP.
08-01-2010 , 11:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senator Wright
I'm having problems (I think) adjusting my calling/shoving ranges to suit the bad play in the 1.2/18's. can someone point me in the right direction? I'm currently grinding a roll, so I don't have the $$ to buy sng wiz yet, but I have sngpt as of right now, but I don't know how to use it effectively yet. I'll post some hands later, gotta run right now.
you can use sngwiz free for a month.
08-02-2010 , 01:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pointguard
2/180

Only 1 orbit with villain and he hasn't played a hand yet.

No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): t14285 M = 1.98
SB: t24010 M = 3.33
BB: t12593 M = 1.75
UTG: t15100 M = 2.10
UTG+1: t56575 M = 7.86
UTG+2: t49360 M = 6.86
MP1: t61017 M = 8.47
MP2: t28634 M = 3.98
CO: t8426 M = 1.17

Pre Flop: (t7200) Hero is BTN with A Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t12000, 4 folds, Hero

I know it looks like a snap but ICM says I need JJ+, AK if utg1 is opening < top 15%, and I doubt he's too light here raising into the shorty in the BB from EP.
We're pretty short, I'm surprised this is an ICM fold, and in any case I wouldn't make it and would get it in here for sure.
08-02-2010 , 03:17 AM
was just watching a friends 12/180 ft and a spot came up that i was pretty unsure about. might be a snap, i dunno...

(don't have the HH)

blinds 2k/4k/400

hero is bb with Q8 (~45k to start hand)

folds around to spazzy sb who has gone from ~107k to 32k in about three hands. he shoves.

in general, what is our range here? i figure 22+, Kx, Ax, and then i'm not so sure. would stove it if i could.
08-02-2010 , 10:04 AM
Q8 a bit too light i think, would snap something like QJ+,A4+,22+

What about this spot guys ? Easy shove, easy fold ? not sure about it in a 12$ 180 turbo :

[35/106]
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Poker Star Game 41605441591 / Tournament
Table 255718740 15 -
Blinds : 100/200
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9 players
[SB] Battmeister (3255)
[BB] tim_411 (1585)
[1] Cashewouten (1785)
[2] Tim'sQTpie (2675)
[3] samtrak (5666)
[4] shizz (505)
[5] vnielz (3680)
[6] kingkicker30 (1025)
[But] Nemoqwe88 (3010)

Cashewouten Q J Initial Pot: 300

Cashewouten ???
08-02-2010 , 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CashW
Q8 a bit too light i think, would snap something like QJ+,A4+,22+

What about this spot guys ? Easy shove, easy fold ? not sure about it in a 12$ 180 turbo :

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Poker Star Game 41605441591 / Tournament
Table 255718740 15 -
Blinds : 100/200
##########################################

9 players
[SB] Battmeister (3255)
[BB] tim_411 (1585)
[1] Cashewouten (1785)
[2] Tim'sQTpie (2675)
[3] samtrak (5666)
[4] shizz (505)
[5] vnielz (3680)
[6] kingkicker30 (1025)
[But] Nemoqwe88 (3010)

Cashewouten Q J Initial Pot: 300

Cashewouten ???
Without ante i fold it. But i shove from UTG+1 or UTg+2.
08-02-2010 , 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CashW
Q8 a bit too light i think, would snap something like QJ+,A4+,22+

What about this spot guys ? Easy shove, easy fold ? not sure about it in a 12$ 180 turbo :

[35/106]
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Poker Star Game 41605441591 / Tournament
Table 255718740 15 -
Blinds : 100/200
##########################################

9 players
[SB] Battmeister (3255)
[BB] tim_411 (1585)
[1] Cashewouten (1785)
[2] Tim'sQTpie (2675)
[3] samtrak (5666)
[4] shizz (505)
[5] vnielz (3680)
[6] kingkicker30 (1025)
[But] Nemoqwe88 (3010)

Cashewouten Q J Initial Pot: 300

Cashewouten ???
Witout ante it's a fold.

With antes it's a shove.
08-02-2010 , 04:06 PM
I'm fairly new to 45 mans and turbos in general, i'm reading and re-reading the stickies plus trying to get to grips with ICM etc.. this feels like a super standard spot but despite the studying i'm still not sure what to do.

Villain is 30/20/3 over an almost irrelevant 85 hands. he has previously raised twice from EP in this sng and had done so two or three times in one other i had played with him. Does he have enough Ax and smaller pockets in his range from this position with that stack to make raise/shoving the correct play ? it should be noted that he wasn't shoving any hands at this point and was content to fold or 3x...


Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: t5250 M = 6.77
Hero (CO): t10361 M = 13.37
BTN: t900 M = 1.16
SB: t3660 M = 4.72
BB: t1175 M = 1.52
UTG: t3509 M = 4.53
UTG+1: t4035 M = 5.21

Pre Flop: (t775) Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to t1600, 2 folds, Hero ???
08-02-2010 , 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CashW

[35/106]
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Poker Star Game 41605441591 / Tournament
Table 255718740 15 -
Blinds : 100/200
##########################################

9 players
[SB] Battmeister (3255)
[BB] tim_411 (1585)
[1] Cashewouten (1785)
[2] Tim'sQTpie (2675)
[3] samtrak (5666)
[4] shizz (505)
[5] vnielz (3680)
[6] kingkicker30 (1025)
[But] Nemoqwe88 (3010)

Cashewouten Q J Initial Pot: 300

Cashewouten ???
borderline shove imo
08-02-2010 , 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mokeyuk
I'm fairly new to 45 mans and turbos in general, i'm reading and re-reading the stickies plus trying to get to grips with ICM etc.. this feels like a super standard spot but despite the studying i'm still not sure what to do.

Villain is 30/20/3 over an almost irrelevant 85 hands. he has previously raised twice from EP in this sng and had done so two or three times in one other i had played with him. Does he have enough Ax and smaller pockets in his range from this position with that stack to make raise/shoving the correct play ? it should be noted that he wasn't shoving any hands at this point and was content to fold or 3x...


Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP: t5250 M = 6.77
Hero (CO): t10361 M = 13.37
BTN: t900 M = 1.16
SB: t3660 M = 4.72
BB: t1175 M = 1.52
UTG: t3509 M = 4.53
UTG+1: t4035 M = 5.21

Pre Flop: (t775) Hero is CO with T T
UTG raises to t1600, 2 folds, Hero ???
snap shove.

any more thoughts on that Q8o hand, anyone?
08-02-2010 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcm91
was just watching a friends 12/180 ft and a spot came up that i was pretty unsure about. might be a snap, i dunno...

(don't have the HH)

blinds 2k/4k/400

hero is bb with Q8 (~45k to start hand)

folds around to spazzy sb who has gone from ~107k to 32k in about three hands. he shoves.

in general, what is our range here? i figure 22+, Kx, Ax, and then i'm not so sure. would stove it if i could.
I think it's important to know how many players are left and their stack sizes. But if we are a medium stack with > 6 players left then I think it's a fold.
08-02-2010 , 08:23 PM
yeah, my bad. there were no real shortstacks and i think my friend was like 3 or 4/6.

also, you guys call here?


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t74733 M = 11.32
SB: t52114 M = 7.90
Hero (BB): t44576 M = 6.75
UTG: t15056 M = 2.28
UTG+1: t10340 M = 1.57
MP: t46543 M = 7.05
CO: t26638 M = 4.04

Pre Flop: (t6600) Hero is BB with Q A
3 folds, CO raises to t26338 all in, 1 fold, SB raises to t49676, Hero calls t41276 all in?
08-02-2010 , 09:00 PM
Thoughts?

I feel like this is the right line.
His 3 bet should maybe represent at least {jj+ AQo+ AQs+}
Which I'm about 40%, and I've got to put in another 1k to win a 2k pot. +ev, ya?

Even after he 3 bets me I've got to assume that he's doing this with
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t2965 M = 39.53
BTN: t1305 M = 17.40
Hero (SB): t2115 M = 28.20
BB: t1435 M = 19.13
UTG: t1420 M = 18.93
UTG+1: t975 M = 13
UTG+2: t1940 M = 25.87
MP1: t1310 M = 17.47
MP2: t1405 M = 18.73

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with 8 8
5 folds, CO raises to t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t400, BB raises to t650, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2115 all in, BB calls t785 all in

Flop: (t3020) J 7 A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3020) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3020) J (2 players - 2 are all in)
08-02-2010 , 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcm91
also, you guys call here?


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t74733 M = 11.32
SB: t52114 M = 7.90
Hero (BB): t44576 M = 6.75
UTG: t15056 M = 2.28
UTG+1: t10340 M = 1.57
MP: t46543 M = 7.05
CO: t26638 M = 4.04

Pre Flop: (t6600) Hero is BB with Q A
3 folds, CO raises to t26338 all in, 1 fold, SB raises to t49676, Hero calls t41276 all in?
Interesting spot. Any reads on either villain?
08-03-2010 , 03:24 AM
i'm crushing CO's range obv. he had been shipping pretty loose from 18 down, would put his range around 22+, Ax, Kxs, JT+, and sc's 56+. hadn't played with sb before and this was only like the 5th hand of the FT.
08-03-2010 , 03:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcm91
i'm crushing CO's range obv. he had been shipping pretty loose from 18 down, would put his range around 22+, Ax, Kxs, JT+, and sc's 56+. hadn't played with sb before and this was only like the 5th hand of the FT.
If SB is a decent player / reg of any sort, I'm definitely calling.

Against a random I think it's a lot closer.

Seems like one of those spots where you call or fold depending on how much you value ICM. Call is +cEV for sure. I can't see how it could be much worse than breakeven from a $EV perspective.
08-03-2010 , 05:15 AM
i doubt CO is that wide here with two shortstacks getting through the blinds the next hands but even if he is... fold because of that fact.
even vs regs who will def shove up with a wider range than a random here.
08-03-2010 , 08:07 AM
^^ Damn, didn't see the shorties first time around.

I fold AQo here too.
08-03-2010 , 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
Thoughts?

I feel like this is the right line.
His 3 bet should maybe represent at least {jj+ AQo+ AQs+}
Which I'm about 40%, and I've got to put in another 1k to win a 2k pot. +ev, ya?

Even after he 3 bets me I've got to assume that he's doing this with
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t2965 M = 39.53
BTN: t1305 M = 17.40
Hero (SB): t2115 M = 28.20
BB: t1435 M = 19.13
UTG: t1420 M = 18.93
UTG+1: t975 M = 13
UTG+2: t1940 M = 25.87
MP1: t1310 M = 17.47
MP2: t1405 M = 18.73

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with 8 8
5 folds, CO raises to t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t400, BB raises to t650, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2115 all in, BB calls t785 all in

Flop: (t3020) J 7 A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t3020) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t3020) J (2 players - 2 are all in)
you 3bet him?

this is pretty bad
08-03-2010 , 11:10 AM
3rd hand no reads - spew? 18man

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1540 M = 51.33
CO: t1490 M = 49.67
BTN: t1460 M = 48.67
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1530 M = 51
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
Hero (MP1): t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP1 with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40, 4 folds, BB calls t20

Flop: (t130) K T T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t40, Hero calls t40, BB folds

Turn: (t210) J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t100, Hero raises to t400, UTG+1 calls t300

River: (t1010) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1020 all in
08-03-2010 , 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xkf
3rd hand no reads - spew? 18man

Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1540 M = 51.33
CO: t1490 M = 49.67
BTN: t1460 M = 48.67
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1500 M = 50
UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1530 M = 51
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
Hero (MP1): t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP1 with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40, 4 folds, BB calls t20

Flop: (t130) K T T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t40, Hero calls t40, BB folds

Turn: (t210) J (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t100, Hero raises to t400, UTG+1 calls t300

River: (t1010) 9 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1020 all in
i dont see the hand bad played, anyway i'd have make a reraise preflop, he can be doing that donkraise with any2. The way the hand its played i believe that one thing is sure: hes got nothing but crap (AJ,AK,KJ,KQ,any2) or you gonna get busted by TT,KK,JJ, but thats my opinion. I'd have made a nice value on the river, but not the shove cuz if you dont have a nice read on him and plays slightly solid, hes only going to make the call when your won.
08-04-2010 , 03:08 AM
Couple of iso spots that I think I missed:

I was totally ready to get it in with CO if he shoved but for some reason I folded to his pot smash, which seemed much stronger than shoving (hadn't seen him do that before).

Full Tilt Poker $3 + $0.30 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t8195 M = 5.46
BB: t29820 M = 19.88
UTG: t15345 M = 10.23
UTG+1: t17718 M = 11.81
MP1: t19010 M = 12.67
MP2: t38895 M = 25.93
CO: t6125 M = 4.08
Hero (BTN): t26090 M = 17.39

Pre Flop: (t1500) Hero is BTN with J A
4 folds, CO raises to t2700, 3 folds


Same guy with 1K more chips but this time we have an UTG raise from a competent player:


Full Tilt Poker $3 + $0.30 KO No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t500/t1000 Blinds + t125 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t14315 M = 6.36
SB: t27980 M = 12.44
BB: t29888 M = 13.28
UTG: t58100 M = 25.82
MP: t7325 M = 3.26
Hero (CO): t23590 M = 10.48

Pre Flop: (t2250) Hero is CO with T A
UTG raises to t2000, MP raises to t7200 all in,

The first one I think was a slam dunk iso given that the guy had 10BB, like I said I got totally thrown off by the pot smash. Second one is more interesting I think.
08-04-2010 , 03:18 AM
Standard ATC Push Right?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 5 players - View hand 838404
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: t4925 M = 4.28
CO: t9882 M = 8.59
BTN: t1990 M = 1.73
Hero (SB): t3220 M = 2.80
BB: t9988 M = 8.69

Pre Flop: (t1150) Hero is SB with K 2
3 folds, Hero raises to t3170 all in, BB calls t2570

Flop: (t6590) T Q A (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t6590) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t6590) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

      
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