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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
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413 61.37%
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25 3.71%

07-22-2010 , 05:26 PM
fine iso when limper is running 47/10 over 45 hands?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t50 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: t3230 M = 3.23
Hero (MP2): t5905 M = 5.91
CO: t3810 M = 3.81
BTN: t11300 M = 11.30
SB: t10854 M = 10.85
BB: t8067 M = 8.07
UTG: t2540 M = 2.54
UTG+1: t16370 M = 16.37

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is MP2 with 7 A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t400, 1 fold, Hero raises to t5855 all in,



another typical 35/3 player

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 7 players
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UTG+1: t13915 M = 11.13
MP: t5784 M = 4.63
CO: t5980 M = 4.78
Hero (BTN): t9320 M = 7.46
SB: t5770 M = 4.62
BB: t5220 M = 4.18
UTG: t11060 M = 8.85

Pre Flop: (t1250) Hero is BTN with Q K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t600, 2 folds, Hero raises to t9270 all in,

Last edited by martin_malin; 07-22-2010 at 05:33 PM.
07-22-2010 , 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkmate36
Standard ship?
Final table $1.75/18 villain has been loose playing 30/15 and seems to like to get his gambol on.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($7,197)
BB ($2,807)
UTG ($2,280)
UTG+1 ($2,330)
UTG+2 ($3,010)
MP1 ($2,196)
MP2 ($1,695)
Hero ($1,415)
BTN ($4,070)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $400, fold, fold, [color=red]Hero raises to $1,415 (AI),
totally fine given read
07-22-2010 , 06:26 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/23/mtt-strategy/6-handed-12-180-turbo-835521/#post20411301

Last edited by skater3598; 07-22-2010 at 06:32 PM.
07-22-2010 , 06:38 PM
Martin re: post 426

I like the first shove don't think I dig the second one as much. Youll see guys snapping off with a5s and such potentially making the shove very bad. I'd just fold tbh.

also, the 3 indicating he's only raising 3 percent hands prob makes it more likely hes going to be limping decent pps and other hands that kq doesn't fair too well against. if he was like 35/10 i think i like it better.

Last edited by PaulieWlnuts; 07-22-2010 at 07:06 PM.
07-22-2010 , 06:50 PM
whats my play here? puke and fold?

if its a fold what is my calling range here with my stack?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t11125 M = 4.78
Hero (BTN): t4390 M = 1.89
SB: t6800 M = 2.92
BB: t10160 M = 4.37
UTG: t6355 M = 2.73
UTG+1: t20975 M = 9.02
MP: t7695 M = 3.31

Pre Flop: (t2325) Hero is BTN with T T
2 folds, MP raises to t7620 all in, CO calls t7620
07-22-2010 , 07:04 PM
Hawkfan, I'm never folding TT there. I'd prob fold 88, 99 is close. I guess it'd depend a little bit on reads/hud. I also call AQ maybe even AJs?
07-23-2010 , 03:28 AM
This shove wins a pretty good ammount of chips on avg in a random. Any ICM considerations?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t3000/t6000 Blinds + t600 - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): t71839 M = 6.30
BB: t124723 M = 10.94
CO: t30437 M = 2.67
BTN: t43001 M = 3.77

Pre Flop: (t11400) Hero is SB with 7 5
2 folds, Hero raises to t71239 all in

Last edited by martin_malin; 07-23-2010 at 03:35 AM.
07-23-2010 , 08:24 AM
Just noticed this thread, it's a good idea and I will be posting some hands soon. I am outtacontrol89 on full tilt playing the $6 and $13 90man KO's.

As I am on a downswing atm I was just wondering how large downswings can get at this level? Are $1000 downswings going to be experienced? Also, what sort of sample size should I get before I take notice of my ROI%? I am currently at 10-15% over about 750 games and I am sure it could be a lot higher..

ICM makes me fold the hand above btw ^
07-23-2010 , 08:36 AM
@martin depends on his calling range. noone here knows that. you can use JITxperts sheet to find out when it gets -$EV
07-23-2010 , 08:38 AM
Quote:
Are $1000 downswings going to be experienced?
I don't play them but everyone seems to say they are super soft so as a result I don't recall any mention of crazy ($1k) downswings but with 90 players Im sure its not impossible.

Post hands you have questions on.
07-23-2010 , 11:20 AM
$1.75/18 The BB is sitting out and loose UTG limps. If I fold (Im in the SB) UTG gets the pot. What range do we shove here? With ~10BB I folded but I think this is close.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($3,965)
BB ($1,715)
UTG ($4,690)
UTG+1 ($6,685)
UTG+2 ($4,330)
CO ($1,390)
BTN ($4,225)

Dealt to Hero K 8

fold, UTG+1 calls $400, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

UTG+1 wins $1,175
07-23-2010 , 11:42 AM
On the bubble of a 2.2/180.

Is this too nitty?


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: t6895 M = 3.83
UTG+1: t8436 M = 4.69
MP1: t7465 M = 4.15
MP2: t21382 M = 11.88
CO: t9660 M = 5.37
BTN: t12550 M = 6.97
SB: t12603 M = 7.00
Hero (BB): t8170 M = 4.54

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is BB with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t8361 all in, 6 folds
07-23-2010 , 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 85Merlot
On the bubble of a 2.2/180.

Is this too nitty?


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG: t6895 M = 3.83
UTG+1: t8436 M = 4.69
MP1: t7465 M = 4.15
MP2: t21382 M = 11.88
CO: t9660 M = 5.37
BTN: t12550 M = 6.97
SB: t12603 M = 7.00
Hero (BB): t8170 M = 4.54

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is BB with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t8361 all in, 6 folds
id snap.
id prob fold 88 on the bubble.
TT too strong to fold to one person.
07-23-2010 , 01:16 PM
the money bubble in 180s is pretty meaningless. you shouldn't really ever take it into account unless you're super short and have no fold equity.
07-23-2010 , 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by checkmate36
$1.75/18 The BB is sitting out and loose UTG limps. If I fold (Im in the SB) UTG gets the pot. What range do we shove here? With ~10BB I folded but I think this is close.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $400(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($3,965)
BB ($1,715)
UTG ($4,690)
UTG+1 ($6,685)
UTG+2 ($4,330)
CO ($1,390)
BTN ($4,225)

Dealt to Hero K 8

fold, UTG+1 calls $400, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

UTG+1 wins $1,175
i would not shove too wide, because loose players will call you wide and sometimes trap. With 10BB i would probably shove 88,A9s,ATo without any further reads. If you have a read that he limps very weak Hands utg then you can shove wider of course.
07-23-2010 , 05:00 PM
Do you guys call in villains position?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t86344 M = 12.51
UTG+1: t42269 M = 6.13
MP1: t9875 M = 1.43
MP2: t47788 M = 6.93
Hero (CO): t27910 M = 4.04
BTN: t39980 M = 5.79
SB: t63135 M = 9.15
BB: t19270 M = 2.79

Pre Flop: (t6900) Hero is CO with 4 4
4 folds, Hero raises to t27610 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t15970 all in

Flop: (t41840) J 5 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t41840) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t41840) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t41840
Hero shows 4 4 (two pair, Jacks and Fives - lower kicker)
BB shows 3 A (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
BB wins t41840
07-23-2010 , 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulieWlnuts
Do you guys call in villains position?


Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: t86344 M = 12.51
UTG+1: t42269 M = 6.13
MP1: t9875 M = 1.43
MP2: t47788 M = 6.93
Hero (CO): t27910 M = 4.04
BTN: t39980 M = 5.79
SB: t63135 M = 9.15
BB: t19270 M = 2.79

Pre Flop: (t6900) Hero is CO with 4 4
4 folds, Hero raises to t27610 all in, 2 folds, BB calls t15970 all in

Flop: (t41840) J 5 J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: (t41840) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t41840) 5 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t41840
Hero shows 4 4 (two pair, Jacks and Fives - lower kicker)
BB shows 3 A (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
BB wins t41840
If he knows you are a reg then it´s fine I think.
07-23-2010 , 05:39 PM
folding TT there is pretty redic, purely cos you absolutley smash his range, especially if he is competent and also. obv min cashing is important to maintain ur roi, but this is such a great spot to chip up so you can start throwing your weight about towards the ft.
07-23-2010 , 11:00 PM
villain is fried liver, a reg

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t12290 M = 6.83
UTG: t16930 M = 9.41
UTG+1: t7465 M = 4.15
MP1: t4100 M = 2.28
MP2: t10235 M = 5.69
Hero (CO): t6270 M = 3.48
BTN: t15660 M = 8.70
SB: t6580 M = 3.66

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is CO with A J
3 folds, MP2 raises to t10160 all in, Hero?


villain is a random who was like 23/17 after 9 hands

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t9385 M = 5.69
Hero (SB): t9646 M = 5.85
BB: t4890 M = 2.96
UTG: t24425 M = 14.80
MP: t4478 M = 2.71
CO: t7014 M = 4.25

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is SB with A J
UTG raises to t1600, 3 folds, Hero?
07-23-2010 , 11:16 PM
Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t2150 M = 35.83
BB: t1545 M = 25.75
UTG: t1680 M = 28
UTG+1: t1455 M = 24.25
Hero (MP1): t1440 M = 24
MP2: t1205 M = 20.08
CO: t1030 M = 17.17
BTN: t1495 M = 24.92

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is MP1 with K K
UTG raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero raises to t160, 3 folds, SB calls t140, 1 fold, UTG calls t80

Flop: (t520) K 9 J (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t80, SB folds, UTG calls t80

Turn: (t680) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t280, UTG raises to t560, Hero raises to t1200 all in, UTG calls t640

River: (t3080) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3080
UTG shows T 8 (a straight, Jack high)
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
UTG wins t3080


Apart from the disgusting flop bet, was there really much more I could do about this hand? Thanks in advance.
07-24-2010 , 01:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulieWlnuts
villain is fried liver, a reg

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t12290 M = 6.83
UTG: t16930 M = 9.41
UTG+1: t7465 M = 4.15
MP1: t4100 M = 2.28
MP2: t10235 M = 5.69
Hero (CO): t6270 M = 3.48
BTN: t15660 M = 8.70
SB: t6580 M = 3.66

Pre Flop: (t1800) Hero is CO with A J
3 folds, MP2 raises to t10160 all in, Hero?


villain is a random who was like 23/17 after 9 hands

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t9385 M = 5.69
Hero (SB): t9646 M = 5.85
BB: t4890 M = 2.96
UTG: t24425 M = 14.80
MP: t4478 M = 2.71
CO: t7014 M = 4.25

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is SB with A J
UTG raises to t1600, 3 folds, Hero?
1. is a call, the blinds+antes is ~1/3 your stack, and you very rarely get called by BTN, SB, or BB (they call with 99+,AQ+, or the top 5.4%, and you have an ace yourself, plus the guy who shoved has something, so very rarely do you get called by those left to act, something ~15% of the time)
2. is close, i'm guessing it's a fold. your stats on the guy are irrelevant after only 9 hands the fact you don't know him is not
07-24-2010 , 07:31 AM
shove?


Full Tilt Poker $4 + $0.40 Rush No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t250/t500 Blinds + t50 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: t6285 M = 5.99
SB: t31640 M = 30.13
BB: t5967 M = 5.68
UTG: t19047 M = 18.14
MP: t11636 M = 11.08
Hero (CO): t10865 M = 10.35

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is CO with Q A
UTG raises to t1111, 1 fold, Hero
07-24-2010 , 05:20 PM
Hey guys,
first timer in this post but i will become a regular.. anyway:
It's 18man turbo so we are ITM
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 4 players

CO: t14640 M = 13.31
BTN: t1400 M = 1.27
Hero (SB): t5045 M = 4.59
BB: t5915 M = 5.38

Pre Flop: (t1100) Hero is SB with random range
2 folds, Hero's range is ?

If u would take into account that BB has a bigger stack than us and BTN is almost dead and will be the next BB.
So how wide should be push ?

Ty4attention
07-25-2010 , 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madis
Hey guys,
first timer in this post but i will become a regular.. anyway:
It's 18man turbo so we are ITM
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 4 players

CO: t14640 M = 13.31
BTN: t1400 M = 1.27
Hero (SB): t5045 M = 4.59
BB: t5915 M = 5.38

Pre Flop: (t1100) Hero is SB with random range
2 folds, Hero's range is ?

If u would take into account that BB has a bigger stack than us and BTN is almost dead and will be the next BB.
So how wide should be push ?

Ty4attention
You should be pushing pretty wide IMO, the bb has you covered but by very little so he shouldnt be calling very wide. I would shove all aces most kings, pairs, broadway cards, and a few other hands like 9Ts J9s.
07-25-2010 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 11223344554433
Full Tilt Poker $1 + $0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: t2150 M = 35.83
BB: t1545 M = 25.75
UTG: t1680 M = 28
UTG+1: t1455 M = 24.25
Hero (MP1): t1440 M = 24
MP2: t1205 M = 20.08
CO: t1030 M = 17.17
BTN: t1495 M = 24.92

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is MP1 with K K
UTG raises to t80, 1 fold, Hero raises to t160, 3 folds, SB calls t140, 1 fold, UTG calls t80

Flop: (t520) K 9 J (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t80, SB folds, UTG calls t80

Turn: (t680) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t280, UTG raises to t560, Hero raises to t1200 all in, UTG calls t640

River: (t3080) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t3080
UTG shows T 8 (a straight, Jack high)
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
UTG wins t3080


Apart from the disgusting flop bet, was there really much more I could do about this hand? Thanks in advance.
considering this is a 1$ sng, i say bet bigger almost all the time because they call everything. Raise more pre like 240 or more even, bet like half pot or little more on the flop, get it in on the turn. I don't think i would ever fold the turn there especially in a 1$ tourney.

      
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