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View Poll Results: 18 man final table approximates closely to 9 man STT?
Yes
235 34.92%
No
413 61.37%
Other (post comment)
25 3.71%

07-21-2010 , 05:16 PM
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t33004 M = 8.80
BTN: t19132 M = 5.10
SB: t32707 M = 8.72
BB: t22089 M = 5.89
UTG: t40826 M = 10.89
Hero (UTG+1): t35770 M = 9.54
UTG+2: t34276 M = 9.14
MP1: t26788 M = 7.14
MP2: t25408 M = 6.78

Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is UTG+1 with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to t4444, 5 folds, SB raises to t32557 all in, [color=blue]Hero?...[/color=blue]

Are there ICM considerations here that might make this a fold?
Or am I just a giant nit?
07-21-2010 , 05:22 PM
^^
puke

reads on the guy?
07-21-2010 , 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
^^
puke

reads on the guy?
Not really.
Only been at the same table for 15 hands or so.
And when you say puke, you mean what I did?
07-21-2010 , 06:20 PM
Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 3 players
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BB: t132914 M = 24.61
Hero (BTN): t42934 M = 7.95
SB: t94152 M = 17.44

Pre Flop: (t5400) Hero is BTN with K 9
Hero? Pretty sure it's a shove but wanted to double check.
07-21-2010 , 06:44 PM
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG+1: t2370 M = 31.60
UTG+2: t2950 M = 39.33
MP1: t2020 M = 26.93
MP2: t525 M = 7
Hero (CO): t1395 M = 18.60
BTN: t2030 M = 27.07
SB: t1430 M = 19.07
BB: t565 M = 7.53
UTG: t1100 M = 14.67

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t250, 1 fold, SB calls t225, 1 fold, UTG calls t200, MP2 calls t200

Flop: (t1050) A 9 5 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1050) Q (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero shoves?
07-21-2010 , 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin_malin
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t2370 M = 31.60
UTG+2: t2950 M = 39.33
MP1: t2020 M = 26.93
MP2: t525 M = 7
Hero (CO): t1395 M = 18.60
BTN: t2030 M = 27.07
SB: t1430 M = 19.07
BB: t565 M = 7.53
UTG: t1100 M = 14.67

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, MP2 calls t50, Hero raises to t250, 1 fold, SB calls t225, 1 fold, UTG calls t200, MP2 calls t200

Flop: (t1050) A 9 5 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t1050) Q (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero shoves?
tough to say if they limp Ax ? Have you seen them tarp before?

I think your best option is to shove. Certainly we don't want to get b/r OTT and shoving increases your fold equity. Checking behind could lead to some blank rivers and small value bets which you may have to fold to, so best to get it in now imo.
07-21-2010 , 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
Villian limped the last hand and I shoved on him from the blinds

Then he limps again so I figured he was limp tarp'n with like mid+ aces (A7+), mid+ pockets (5s+) and like KQ so I decided to limp behind and call the shorty if he shoved (and Villain folded; fold if he flatted or reraised), also decided that I was getting it in if I hit.


Idk, wat do u think?


Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 8 players
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Hero (BTN): t78666 M = 11.40
SB: t50650 M = 7.34
BB: t13871 M = 2.01
UTG: t18762 M = 2.72
UTG+1: t16057 M = 2.33
MP1: t3636 M = 0.53
MP2: t25911 M = 3.76
CO: t62447 M = 9.05

Pre Flop: (t6900) Hero is BTN with A T
4 folds, CO calls t3000, Hero calls t3000, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: (t12900) K A 6 (3 players)
BB bets t10571 all in, CO calls t10571, Hero raises to t75366 all in, CO calls t48576 all in

Turn: (t141765) 6 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t141765) 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: t141765
Hero shows As Tc (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
BB shows 2s 9s (a pair of Sixes)
CO shows Ah Kc (two pair, Aces and Kings)
CO wins t97152
CO wins t44613
This is a tough one, I like your thinking pre though, to keep the pot smaller. If you had 5-15bbs in this spot the shove is the play but with 26 I like the call.

However it puts you in a tough spot on the flop. I feel villains line here is strong, as he would ISO with FD's, 2pair etc. As played it seems like he's waiting for you to shove imo. Did you have stats? It's a really gross spot. :-/
07-21-2010 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedarknight
So what hands are we waiting for? I assume you're adjusting your SNG Wiz. What does Wiz say are the break even hands?

We are also getting the blind next. If we fold, are we just playing for third? Why is this a spew?
I played with ranges right now, even if everyone calls /w 7-8%(77+ AT+ A9s+) its still a fold (close though). Reasons? 3 stacks pretty much equal and top heavy payout structure in the 180s i remember smth like 30-20-11.9-8.9-6.5% when i was messing around with tourney profiles in wiz , but wiz doesent account for equity lost by blinds etc + we have to shove on the big stack when were in sb so IF everyone is really nitty and calls super tight i can see an argument for shoving A8+ A2s+ 22+ most bway or smth but that still leaves out a6, the stacks are just too equal and payjumps are big.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
call if hes decent, snap if is good, fold if he sucks lol
+1
and call his mom a whore on skype when he obv sucks out /w atc that he is shoving if hes half good

Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
And when you say puke, you mean what I did?
puke=your perceived strong range utg +1 that an unknown 3bet shipped 20 bets over. You asked about icm is this the ft?
07-21-2010 , 10:58 PM
spot where i wasnt sure what to do in a 45 man

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
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Hero (SB): t3833 M = 5.11
BB: t2740 M = 3.65
UTG: t990 M = 1.32
MP: t5655 M = 7.54
CO: t2925 M = 3.90
BTN: t2330 M = 3.11

Pre Flop: (t750) Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises to t965 all in, MP calls t965, 1 fold, BTN calls t965, Hero ???
07-21-2010 , 11:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Bud
spot where i wasnt sure what to do in a 45 man

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
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Hero (SB): t3833 M = 5.11
BB: t2740 M = 3.65
UTG: t990 M = 1.32
MP: t5655 M = 7.54
CO: t2925 M = 3.90
BTN: t2330 M = 3.11

Pre Flop: (t750) Hero is SB with T T
UTG raises to t965 all in, MP calls t965, 1 fold, BTN calls t965, Hero ???
TT is way ahead of any of their ranges. Unless one of them is a reg that will flat in this spot with AA/KK/QQ its an easy ship
07-21-2010 , 11:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
Not really.
Only been at the same table for 15 hands or so.
And when you say puke, you mean what I did?
na the spot, we prob are ahead so call just sucks b/c half the time we are flipping unless hes a ******
07-22-2010 , 01:16 AM
Good or bad iso shove early?
Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t2005 M = 44.56
SB: t1335 M = 29.67
Hero (BB): t1295 M = 28.78
UTG: t4825 M = 107.22
UTG+1: t1145 M = 25.44
UTG+2: t2850 M = 63.33
MP1: t600 M = 13.33
MP2: t815 M = 18.11
CO: t1415 M = 31.44

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with A 8
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, 1 fold, BTN calls t30, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: (t165) 6 9 7 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets t30, MP2 raises to t255, BTN folds, Hero raises to t1265 all in, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls t540 all in, MP2 calls t530 all in
07-22-2010 , 01:54 AM
^^
very bad

I would call a small bet on the flop (since we have the Ace of hearts) but fold to that pot bet
07-22-2010 , 01:56 AM
I love the $12 180s... I won money today and still want to go around punching babies in the face.
07-22-2010 , 01:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by robhimself
I love the $12 180s... I won money today and still want to go around punching babies in the face.
Can I join u?

Last edited by IamPro; 07-22-2010 at 01:58 AM. Reason: I prefer baby seals tho
07-22-2010 , 02:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamPro
^^
very bad

I would call a small bet on the flop (since we have the Ace of hearts) but fold to that pot bet
Since they're both short, if you assume they both call, that's ~800 in to win 1600. My SD comes in 25% with two cards to come, and I may have outs with the A (both with pairing and for runner runner flush). I agree that if they were bigger stacks this would be bad, but is my math wrong somewhere?

EDIT: I guess it is pretty thin even if the remaining A are clean outs, but I think it's only very bad if you can assume that the OR OTF will fold, which I think is rarely the case. Still, I'd appreciate some further thought if my maths suck
07-22-2010 , 08:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shuttahbug
On the money bubble, that's a freakin' fold from UTG. I'm a bit nitty, but I'm only shoving AK+, 1010+ utg there. If you're on the button, okay I can live with a shove there, but not A6o


geez dude
07-22-2010 , 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowdodger
Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t33004 M = 8.80
BTN: t19132 M = 5.10
SB: t32707 M = 8.72
BB: t22089 M = 5.89
UTG: t40826 M = 10.89
Hero (UTG+1): t35770 M = 9.54
UTG+2: t34276 M = 9.14
MP1: t26788 M = 7.14
MP2: t25408 M = 6.78

Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is UTG+1 with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to t4444, 5 folds, SB raises to t32557 all in, [color=blue]Hero?...[/color=blue]

Are there ICM considerations here that might make this a fold?
Or am I just a giant nit?

What's the situation here?Is this the FT of a 2/180 or..?
07-22-2010 , 12:18 PM
This was posted in another thread. I had issues with Hand #1 and Hand #3, overall consensus said to ship. What do you guys think?


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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MP: t2870 M = 6.04
CO: t2746 M = 5.78
BTN: t2215 M = 4.66
SB: t2460 M = 5.18
BB: t2214 M = 4.66
Hero (UTG): t1550 M = 3.26
UTG+1: t400 M = 0.84

Pre Flop: (t475) Hero is UTG with 8 K
Hero raises to t1525 all in


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP1: t10716 M = 7.94
MP2: t7502 M = 5.56
CO: t2117 M = 1.57
BTN: t5164 M = 3.83
SB: t12095 M = 8.96
BB: t17293 M = 12.81
UTG: t2654 M = 1.97
UTG+1: t6979 M = 5.17
Hero (UTG+2): t2980 M = 2.21

Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG+2 with Q 9
2 folds, Hero?
07-22-2010 , 02:12 PM
How's my line here? No real reads on BB.


Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
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UTG+1: t1790 M = 23.87
MP1: t1440 M = 19.20
MP2: t1430 M = 19.07
CO: t1845 M = 24.60
BTN: t755 M = 10.07
SB: t1830 M = 24.40
BB: t4825 M = 64.33
Hero (UTG): t3370 M = 44.93

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG with J Q
Hero calls t50, 6 folds, BB raises to t250, Hero calls t200

Flop: (t525) J 5 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t450, BB calls t450

Turn: (t1425) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1025, BB calls t1025

River: (t3475) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1645 all in, BB calls t1645
07-22-2010 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thedarknight
This was posted in another thread. I had issues with Hand #1 and Hand #3, overall consensus said to ship. What do you guys think?


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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MP: t2870 M = 6.04
CO: t2746 M = 5.78
BTN: t2215 M = 4.66
SB: t2460 M = 5.18
BB: t2214 M = 4.66
Hero (UTG): t1550 M = 3.26
UTG+1: t400 M = 0.84

Pre Flop: (t475) Hero is UTG with 8 K
Hero raises to t1525 all in


Poker Stars $6.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t300/t600 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP1: t10716 M = 7.94
MP2: t7502 M = 5.56
CO: t2117 M = 1.57
BTN: t5164 M = 3.83
SB: t12095 M = 8.96
BB: t17293 M = 12.81
UTG: t2654 M = 1.97
UTG+1: t6979 M = 5.17
Hero (UTG+2): t2980 M = 2.21

Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is UTG+2 with Q 9
2 folds, Hero?
I'd probably ship the first hand and definitely fold the second, though I'm curious what SNG Wiz says on both (more on the first one, I think the second is an easy fold).

Quote:
Originally Posted by 85Merlot
How's my line here? No real reads on BB.


Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
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UTG+1: t1790 M = 23.87
MP1: t1440 M = 19.20
MP2: t1430 M = 19.07
CO: t1845 M = 24.60
BTN: t755 M = 10.07
SB: t1830 M = 24.40
BB: t4825 M = 64.33
Hero (UTG): t3370 M = 44.93

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG with J Q
Hero calls t50, 6 folds, BB raises to t250, Hero calls t200

Flop: (t525) J 5 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t450, BB calls t450

Turn: (t1425) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1025, BB calls t1025

River: (t3475) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1645 all in, BB calls t1645
Mostly terrible. Fold preflop the first and second time, flop and turn bets are fine though flop is kind of large, river bet is most likely a waste unless he is calling 3 streets with 88-TT.
07-22-2010 , 02:49 PM
Hello,

Just wondering if there are any specific guides to playing the 18 man turbo SNG's on stars? Cant seem to find any specific to that bracket, there is however plenty of guides ont he 180s.
07-22-2010 , 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiggymike
I'd probably ship the first hand and definitely fold the second, though I'm curious what SNG Wiz says on both (more on the first one, I think the second is an easy fold).
I'd be more inclined to ship the the Q9 hand and fold the K8s. With Q9, once the blinds comes through us we don't have as much fold equity as we'll have like 3 bbs.

K8s once the blind comes through we aren't in terrible shape and can wait for a couple hands to open push in late position. I don't know, in those situations I'd probably be too nitty and wait for another round of "free" hands.
07-22-2010 , 04:04 PM
darknight I'd ship both K8s seems closer.
07-22-2010 , 04:10 PM
Standard ship?
Final table $1.75/18 villain has been loose playing 30/15 and seems to like to get his gambol on.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer
SB ($7,197)
BB ($2,807)
UTG ($2,280)
UTG+1 ($2,330)
UTG+2 ($3,010)
MP1 ($2,196)
MP2 ($1,695)
Hero ($1,415)
BTN ($4,070)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $400, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1,415 (AI), fold, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $1,015

FLOP ($3,130) 7 T 8

TURN ($3,130) 7 T 8 K

RIVER ($3,130) 7 T 8 K K

      
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