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Old 07-17-2010, 01:59 PM   #326
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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MP2: t1360 M = 45.33
CO: t1490 M = 49.67
BTN: t1410 M = 47
Hero (SB): t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1670 M = 55.67
UTG: t1590 M = 53
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is SB with A J
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, CO calls t20, BTN calls t20, Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t120) 6 7 J (6 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t80, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t80, CO calls t80, BTN folds, Hero raises to t475

How's my line?
Obv I only check with the intention of raising.
Is sizing ok?
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Old 07-17-2010, 02:22 PM   #327
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

imo just bet/fold this 6, u raise huge part of your stack for very smell pot when there all sort of sets and 2pair hands.
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Old 07-17-2010, 02:26 PM   #328
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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I flat, don't be such nits, imo it's profitable.
This. Folding is too nitty.
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Old 07-17-2010, 02:37 PM   #329
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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MP: t3990 M = 8.40
CO: t2130 M = 4.48
BTN: t2080 M = 4.38
SB: t5085 M = 10.71
BB: t1640 M = 3.45
Hero (UTG): t3665 M = 7.72
UTG+1: t7745 M = 16.31

Pre Flop: (t475) Hero is UTG with 7 7
Hero raises to t525, UTG+1 raises to t7720 all in, MP calls t3965 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls t3115 all in

Flop: (t12045) 4 3 9 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: (t12045) 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t12045) Q (3 players - 3 are all in)

The UTG+1 is likely *very* crappy, overplaying hands that are not strong enough and making aggressive raises in stupid spots and for bad amounts, so I'm sure he's crap and playing a LOT of hands here.
Not sure about MP. Does MP make it a fold?
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Old 07-17-2010, 06:34 PM   #330
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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Poker Stars $1.00+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 7 players
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MP: t3990 M = 8.40
CO: t2130 M = 4.48
BTN: t2080 M = 4.38
SB: t5085 M = 10.71
BB: t1640 M = 3.45
Hero (UTG): t3665 M = 7.72
UTG+1: t7745 M = 16.31

Pre Flop: (t475) Hero is UTG with 7 7
Hero raises to t525, UTG+1 raises to t7720 all in, MP calls t3965 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls t3115 all in

Flop: (t12045) 4 3 9 (3 players - 3 are all in)

Turn: (t12045) 4 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: (t12045) Q (3 players - 3 are all in)

The UTG+1 is likely *very* crappy, overplaying hands that are not strong enough and making aggressive raises in stupid spots and for bad amounts, so I'm sure he's crap and playing a LOT of hands here.
Not sure about MP. Does MP make it a fold?
MP probably makes this a fold; you could call UTG's push imo given your reads. Open shoving 77 can't be that bad imo given your stack; you can open for 440ish too.
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Old 07-17-2010, 07:25 PM   #331
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

nothing on villain

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1630 M = 54.33
UTG+2: t1480 M = 49.33
MP1: t1530 M = 51
MP2: t1400 M = 46.67
Hero (CO): t1350 M = 45
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1660 M = 55.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t88, 1 fold, SB calls t78, BB calls t68, MP1 calls t68

Flop: (t352) 9 6 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t352) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t225, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t225

River: (t802) Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t180, MP1 raises to t1217 all in, Hero folds
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Old 07-17-2010, 07:26 PM   #332
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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SB: t1206 M = 8.04
BB: t1395 M = 9.30
UTG: t1425 M = 9.50
UTG+1: t610 M = 4.07
Hero (UTG+2): t1425 M = 9.50
MP1: t1610 M = 10.73
MP2: t1904 M = 12.69
CO: t1405 M = 9.37
BTN: t3930 M = 26.20

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+2 with Q K
2 folds, Hero ?????

This is a spot I have trouble with. KQs with 15BBs, especially pre antes. I feel like raise folding costs us too many chips, but shoving 15 BBs here I don't know that we are getting called down with worse often enough for this to be profitable since we only get 1.5 BBs when we take down the pot but can potentially lose 15 when getting called by better. Is anyone folding this? I usually just shove because that's easier but I dunno. Thoughts appreciated.
UTG and pre antes this is a fold. I will start shoving with 10BBs or less though
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Old 07-17-2010, 08:23 PM   #333
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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nothing on villain

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1630 M = 54.33
UTG+2: t1480 M = 49.33
MP1: t1530 M = 51
MP2: t1400 M = 46.67
Hero (CO): t1350 M = 45
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1660 M = 55.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t88, 1 fold, SB calls t78, BB calls t68, MP1 calls t68

Flop: (t352) 9 6 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t352) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t225, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t225

River: (t802) Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t180, MP1 raises to t1217 all in, Hero folds
Ths just smacks of bad fish playing a flush/gutted straight draw with out odds.
I think that I fold it and be quite unhappy about it.
Also, check behind on the river. With the flush getting there you aren't getting calls from worse and only getting raised by bluffs that we can't call down and made hands that we are way behind of.
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:06 PM   #334
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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nothing on villain

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1630 M = 54.33
UTG+2: t1480 M = 49.33
MP1: t1530 M = 51
MP2: t1400 M = 46.67
Hero (CO): t1350 M = 45
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1660 M = 55.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t88, 1 fold, SB calls t78, BB calls t68, MP1 calls t68

Flop: (t352) 9 6 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t352) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t225, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t225

River: (t802) Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t180, MP1 raises to t1217 all in, Hero folds
Pre,flop and turn seems fine ,but w/o offense, wtf are we doing OTR ?? Our hand has big showdown value,we bet <1/4 pot and we're def not getting called by much worse,easy check behind IP imo.
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:19 PM   #335
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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Pre,flop and turn seems fine ,but w/o offense, wtf are we doing OTR ?? Our hand has big showdown value,we bet <1/4 pot and we're def not getting called by much worse,easy check behind IP imo.
yes I know, I was so high at the time that I tought I was first to act...LOL_DONKABLAZAMENTS

decent b/f if OOP?

or just shove considering this is a 2.20
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Old 07-17-2010, 11:25 PM   #336
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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yes I know, I was so high at the time that I tought I was first to act...LOL_DONKABLAZAMENTS

decent b/f if OOP?

or just shove considering this is a 2.20
haha I hear ya

Imo b/fing small OOP OTR can't be that bad,but the pot is pretty big atm so any bet is a big % of our stack;perhaps OOP betting 180 and folding to a shove seems ok, but much more as a blocking bet than a valuebet. Villain reshoves on our bet OTR w/ worse like 0% of the time imo.

I'd like to hear more thoughts though,if we were OOP.
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Old 07-18-2010, 02:49 AM   #337
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

how often do the $4 180 non turbos run on stars on sundays?
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Old 07-18-2010, 04:32 AM   #338
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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nothing on villain

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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UTG: t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1630 M = 54.33
UTG+2: t1480 M = 49.33
MP1: t1530 M = 51
MP2: t1400 M = 46.67
Hero (CO): t1350 M = 45
BTN: t1470 M = 49
SB: t1480 M = 49.33
BB: t1660 M = 55.33

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is CO with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t88, 1 fold, SB calls t78, BB calls t68, MP1 calls t68

Flop: (t352) 9 6 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t352) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t225, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 calls t225

River: (t802) Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets t180, MP1 raises to t1217 all in, Hero folds
I would check behind on the river here.

If OOP I probably check/call any small-ish bet from villain.
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Old 07-18-2010, 05:56 PM   #339
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

One more in the "this seems awfully close" file. Villain is a good regular.

Poker Stars $25+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t600/t1200 Blinds + t75 - 7 players
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UTG+1: t4971 M = 2.14
MP: t15074 M = 6.48
CO: t19028 M = 8.18
BTN: t3090 M = 1.33
SB: t11612 M = 4.99
Hero (BB): t8437 M = 3.63
UTG: t5288 M = 2.27

Pre Flop: (t2325) Hero is BB with 7 7
3 folds, CO raises to t18953 all in, 2 folds, Hero?
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:00 PM   #340
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

shove or fold this? at 45m FT

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP2: t6526 M = 3.96
CO: t4696 M = 2.85
BTN: t10968 M = 6.65
SB: t3090 M = 1.87
BB: t5081 M = 3.08
Hero (UTG): t6700 M = 4.06
UTG+1: t11770 M = 7.13
UTG+2: t3297 M = 2.00
MP1: t15372 M = 9.32

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is UTG with K Q
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Old 07-18-2010, 06:10 PM   #341
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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shove or fold this? at 45m FT

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MP2: t6526 M = 3.96
CO: t4696 M = 2.85
BTN: t10968 M = 6.65
SB: t3090 M = 1.87
BB: t5081 M = 3.08
Hero (UTG): t6700 M = 4.06
UTG+1: t11770 M = 7.13
UTG+2: t3297 M = 2.00
MP1: t15372 M = 9.32

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is UTG with K Q
Looks close, but I lean towards shoving. Maintaining your FE has to be worth something.
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:15 PM   #342
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Poker Stars $11+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t2000/t4000 Blinds + t400 - 7 players
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MP: t38896 M = 4.42
Hero (CO): t50885 M = 5.78
BTN: t6917 M = 0.79
SB: t23156 M = 2.63
BB: t68203 M = 7.75
UTG: t48836 M = 5.55
UTG+1: t33107 M = 3.76

Pre Flop: (t8800) Hero is CO with 7 7
2 folds, MP raises to t38496 all in, Hero ????

This is from a $12/180 final table. Shover was 15/10 over about 40 hands. I'm second in chips. It feels like a call, but I'm not sure if the ICM considerations of the 2 short stacks (1 super short) make this a fold. Thoughts?
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:29 PM   #343
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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shove or fold this? at 45m FT

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t50 - 9 players
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MP2: t6526 M = 3.96
CO: t4696 M = 2.85
BTN: t10968 M = 6.65
SB: t3090 M = 1.87
BB: t5081 M = 3.08
Hero (UTG): t6700 M = 4.06
UTG+1: t11770 M = 7.13
UTG+2: t3297 M = 2.00
MP1: t15372 M = 9.32

Pre Flop: (t1650) Hero is UTG with K Q
i shove this but i think i might fold if i know theres a few donks on this table that cant lay down A5o
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:37 PM   #344
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

any questioning villain's call with icm in mind? if not how short would BB have to be to make it bad?

(full tilt 90man) payouts are like
576
352
~250

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BB: t81245 M = 7.22
Hero (BTN): t136939 M = 12.17
SB: t51816 M = 4.61

Pre Flop: (t11250) Hero is BTN with T J
Hero raises to t136189 all in, SB calls t48066 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t110382) T 2 Q

Turn: (t110382) 6

River: (t110382) K

Final Pot: t110382
Hero shows T J (a pair of Tens)
SB shows 3 3 (a pair of Threes)
Hero wins t110382
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Old 07-18-2010, 07:48 PM   #345
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how often do the $4 180 non turbos run on stars on sundays?
They run pretty often even on non peak hours
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Old 07-18-2010, 08:26 PM   #346
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

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any questioning villain's call with icm in mind? if not how short would BB have to be to make it bad?

(full tilt 90man) payouts are like
576
352
~250

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BB: t81245 M = 7.22
Hero (BTN): t136939 M = 12.17
SB: t51816 M = 4.61

Pre Flop: (t11250) Hero is BTN with T J
Hero raises to t136189 all in, SB calls t48066 all in, 1 fold

Flop: (t110382) T 2 Q

Turn: (t110382) 6

River: (t110382) K

Final Pot: t110382
Hero shows T J (a pair of Tens)
SB shows 3 3 (a pair of Threes)
Hero wins t110382
I don't like his call.

He needs 66/77+ AT+ imo
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:49 AM   #347
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MP: t38896 M = 4.42
Hero (CO): t50885 M = 5.78
BTN: t6917 M = 0.79
SB: t23156 M = 2.63
BB: t68203 M = 7.75
UTG: t48836 M = 5.55
UTG+1: t33107 M = 3.76

Pre Flop: (t8800) Hero is CO with 7 7
2 folds, MP raises to t38496 all in, Hero ????

This is from a $12/180 final table. Shover was 15/10 over about 40 hands. I'm second in chips. It feels like a call, but I'm not sure if the ICM considerations of the 2 short stacks (1 super short) make this a fold. Thoughts?
TT+ AKs maybe AKo if hes very loose 99+
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:57 AM   #348
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One more in the "this seems awfully close" file. Villain is a good regular.

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UTG+1: t4971 M = 2.14
MP: t15074 M = 6.48
CO: t19028 M = 8.18
BTN: t3090 M = 1.33
SB: t11612 M = 4.99
Hero (BB): t8437 M = 3.63
UTG: t5288 M = 2.27

Pre Flop: (t2325) Hero is BB with 7 7
3 folds, CO raises to t18953 all in, 2 folds, Hero?
I don't think it's that close. Villain is basically only shoving 10xBB effective since you are all too short. If he is a regular and knows his shoving ranges, he is probably shoving any pair, any ace, good kings, Q9+, JT. Unless he is a tight regular, a call here is certainly +EV. With 55 or below I would probably fold..
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:25 PM   #349
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Re: *** Official 18 to 180-man SNG Thread ***

Villain is a micro fish that open limps weak alot. Anyone iso'ing here? Folding? Calling?


Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds + t75 - 7 players
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MP: t29044 M = 16.84
CO: t10779 M = 6.25
Hero (BTN): t18689 M = 10.83
SB: t2562 M = 1.49
BB: t23494 M = 13.62
UTG: t17491 M = 10.14
UTG+1: t19456 M = 11.28

Pre Flop: (t1725) Hero is BTN with A 9
3 folds, CO calls t800, Hero?
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:09 PM   #350
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Is this really just normal, 1.5k games about break even? Those are only 180 men turbos 3,3r and 12$, do you experience that often? I am mostly just 8-12 tabling.
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