folding is definetly out of the equation.

shove and it's not even close.

Yeah that's what i thought, my doubt was because of the 2 shorties at the table. tks

I have a scenario that I was a bit confused about when it came up:

It's the hand for hand on the exact bubble of a $15 180, blinds 600/1200/125 antes, here is the small blind with only 50 chips behind after posting ante + SB.

Hero notices that someone has busted already as "smallest stack" is now 0. Hero can safely assume that the busted player had him covered because his own stack is so small.

Dealt to Hero: 72

UTG raises to 3600, MP calls, Hero ?

edit: And if we are folding 72o, what is the bottom of our calling range?

If you called and lost you would bubble.
If you folded you would mincash.

ICM says fold but call if you hate money, at the very best your a 60/40 dog, i would say a good 70% of the time ur crushed.

Depends a lot on what type of player you are, ive seen crazier things happen where u have a like ~1BB otb then end up shipping but i think the more +EV in the long run here would be to mincash.

in this szenario AA is a snapfold.

the 50 chips you have are worth 2x BI, you have to make alot out of the 3BB stack (if you win) to actually compensate for the loss of the 2BI

Quick question - what ev bb/100 hands are you guys getting? I've been at 12.2 for my last 100k or so hands but have no idea if this was good/bad/average?

Thanks syker & furo

It's pretty irrelevant because of the importance of how well you run deep. You might be running wayyy above EV but lose every flip in when you're ITM. Just look at how much money you made vs how much money you expected to make over a sample to determine whether or not you were running above/below EV.

Doesn't what you're talking about only apply for bb/100 though? I'm talking about the evbb/100 thats in HEM under the Expected Value by stakes report.

I have been having the same issues when trying to analyze my play since moving from 45's. Over the last 1.5k 180's (LOLSampleSize) i have run pretty gay + was wondering if i was leaking too much.

I asked Chilin_Dude to help me out, the advise he gave me was to filter out for diff blind level groups (making sure you filter for 180's only) + look at your EV/BB100 as apposed to your bb/100.

I tend not to look at anything below BB300 from the advise he gave as if you have any concept of turbo's, blind level play below this should be fairly straight forward. As you will see from the below stats early blind levels should fairly high and decrease as you get higher blinds, Thus making the overall ev bb/100 stat kinda skewy.

This is for all blind levels.
bb/100 10.36
ev bb/100 10.28
Running 1.52 million under EV

This is for between bb250 - bb1000
bb/100 3.07
ev bb/100 2.57
Running 8k over EV.

This is for between bb1200 > ANY
bb/100 1.78
ev bb/100 3.34
Running 1.5 million under EV

You can tell if ur playing ok just from running the few stats and taking notes on diff blind level's. Obviously im running horrible deep but also take note of your VPIP/PFR at the diff blind level's and adjust accordingly as i found out i was not been aggro enough at diff blind levels. Hope this can give you more ways to look at ur play.

^^

Ah brilliant, this was really helpful. Yeah I have similar stats to yours. Really high at the start obviously, then relatively lower for the mid level blinds then an increase again after BB1000, probably due to the rampant stealing most players let you get away with at these levels :-)

Looking at it like this showed me some obvious leaks as well at the mid levels.

Thanks man, hope you start running better

$8/180 FT.There's one reg I recognize left to act.Others unknown.Range?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $7.34 Buy-in (1,500/3,000 blinds, 300 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9783822

BTN: 33,962 (11.3 bb)
SB: 56,484 (18.8 bb)
BB: 30,448 (10.1 bb)
UTG+2: 42,608 (14.2 bb)
MP1: 2,920 (1 bb)
Hero (MP2): 39,352 (13.1 bb)
MP3: 29,386 (9.8 bb)
CO: 34,840 (11.6 bb)

Preflop: (2,400) Hero is MP2 with xx
2 folds, Hero?

44+, A9o+, KQs, maybe QJs?

Thx Syker12! nice post!

I'm having my worst month ever so far. Thanks to your advice i could get some Ev-checks going.

I don't wanna turn this into a BBV thread, but pls guys just take a look at my stats for the month so far (about 1.5k games).
I play mainly 45mans.

T200
------------------
Hands: 11756
BB/100: +1.05
BB/100(EV): +2.43

T300
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Hands: 4501
BB/100: -7.05
BB/100(EV): -0.51

T400
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Hands: 3610
BB/100: -5.70
BB/100(EV): +2.52

T600
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Hands: 2750
BB/100: -2.49
BB/100(EV): +4.61

T800
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Hands: 1921
BB/100: -4.10
BB/100(EV): +6.16


T1200
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Hands: 1573
BB/100: -5.68
BB/100(EV): +1.26


It's over quite a small samplesize (1.5k games) but still... This is sick, right?

+1
Nice explanation.

22+ ato+ a7s+ a5s kjo+ q9s+ j9s+ t9s+ 98s+

hey guys, just wanted some advice here about what i should be considering here before i push, i got the impression the bb might call me lightish, obv jj isnt light, but should i still be pushing here when 20 players remain, bit of a noob at these games so all advice welcome!

vilain has an agression factor of 68

fold or ship?



PokerStars Game #63680013914: Tournament #406920212, $4.10+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (500/1000) - 2011/06/22 19:02:42 ET
Table '406920212 12' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: natdog100 (25780 in chips)
Seat 2: KKanTT (33846 in chips)
Seat 3: TheFMC (38316 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: unrealread (23711 in chips)
Seat 5: chicha908 (30768 in chips)
Seat 6: MemphYYY (12767 in chips)
natdog100: posts the ante 100
KKanTT: posts the ante 100
TheFMC: posts the ante 100
unrealread: posts the ante 100
chicha908: posts the ante 100
MemphYYY: posts the ante 100
TheFMC: posts small blind 500
unrealread: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to unrealread [8h Qh]
chicha908: folds
MemphYYY: folds
natdog100: folds
KKanTT: raises 1000 to 2000
TheFMC: folds
unrealread: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [5c 8c 7c]
unrealread: checks
KKanTT: bets 5000

thats a fine shove.

fold pre. If the question is what to do on the flop then why call a raise pre to hit TPDK to fold to a cbet? Call pre=get it in on flop.

Is this an ICM fold? Obv in the heat of the moment I insta-called but I was thinking about it later and realised it may be a fold due to ICM??

do not fold here

As played, shove for sure.

The real question is whether to fold or ship pre-flop though.

What range should I push here?
FT 45 man

Can 180 man turbo regs share with stat EvBB/100 ? prefered distance - 100k hands.

prolly like any any pair, ace any king most queens, any suited jack, 56s+ T7o+