Maybe I'm spewy but I never let go of aces in the first level. Bet now, call a shove. If he flats you'll have to reeval on the river.

Hi,

So i've been grinding some 3$ 45mans, and it looks like they are easy to beat even with the incredible amount of regs. Then I tried some 2$ 180 mans and that didnt go too well over a small sample size. So it all made me think about the differences between the two games.

Obviously, the 180s being longer and the cash reward more top heavy, am I wrong to think that ICM concepts do apply more to 45s than 180s (unless you ft them) ?

Someone posted that you should go for +cEV spots more often in the 180s. What does it concretely mean ? That you call more often than the 45s?

I am a bit lost because I feel like there is something I'm doing bad, esp with so much more random players, it seems to be harder to figure out their shoving ranges.

Could someone competent talk about the differences between 45s and 180s ?

I don't think b/c here is very good, I think that you're behind pretty much everything that he comes over the top with.

would u call here vs a very agro shover? (i think i got 2-1)

Poker Stars $3.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t75 - 5 players
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BTN: t6528 M = 2.35
SB: t12333 M = 4.44
Hero (BB): t26742 M = 9.64
UTG: t15532 M = 5.60
CO: t6365 M = 2.29

Pre Flop: (t2775) Hero is BB with 9 Q
1 fold, CO raises to t6290 all in, 2 folds, hero?

huge stack + odds + aggro dude + very decent holding = call button imo

would you check here...or bet less

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UTG+1: t3250 M = 5.42
UTG+2: t2645 M = 4.41
Hero (MP1): t6080 M = 10.13
MP2: t4635 M = 7.72
CO: t3020 M = 5.03
BTN: t9750 M = 16.25
SB: t9000 M = 15
BB: t6285 M = 10.47
UTG: t3135 M = 5.22

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is MP1 with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to t750, MP2 calls t750, 3 folds, BB calls t500

Flop: (t2600) 7 T 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1111, MP2 folds, BB folds

who is peppeswe? hes in like every $4.40 180 man

Villain seems to be the kind of micro fish that l/c and l/f alot. Do you iso here? Fold? Limp behind?


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MP: t29044 M = 16.84
CO: t10779 M = 6.25
Hero (BTN): t18689 M = 10.83
SB: t2562 M = 1.49
BB: t23494 M = 13.62
UTG: t17491 M = 10.14
UTG+1: t19456 M = 11.28

Pre Flop: (t1725) Hero is BTN with A 9
3 folds, CO calls t800, Hero?

see below

Against that type of villain they could be easily limping A10+ or 22-77, however there is a lot of KJ-QJ-KQ-K10esque in their range as well. So I would make it ~2400 from the BTN with the intent to fold to a shove and am c-betting most flops

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BTN: t34067 M = 10.32
SB: t13607 M = 4.12
Hero (BB): t19826 M = 6.01

Pre Flop: (t3300) Hero is BB with Q 8
1 fold, SB raises to t13507 all in, Hero calls t11507

Flop: (t27314) A 6 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t27314) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t27314) T (2 players - 1 is all in)


Any1 else make the call here? BTN is semesa1 whos able to call light bvb. SB is another reg rollotemaci that pushes wide on FT. I see no other choice than to call here.

valkyri3, if that reg shoves atc (as usual), u should call.

what do we do here on FT bubble? sb is very agro, running around 25/23 and few orbits ago jammed J5 at 200/100 on my bb


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SB: t10400 M = 7.43
Hero (BB): t12598 M = 9.00
CO: t13953 M = 9.97
BTN: t2897 M = 2.07

Pre Flop: (t1400) Hero is BB with 8 K
2 folds, SB raises to t2400, Hero?

if he shoves the marginal stuff K8s seems like a pretty std fold
expecting his 3x range with this stacks to be relatively strong.

Hey Guys, totally new to these 45 mans. Wiz doesn't like this push with even a couple of guys on slightly loose ranges, and it is close even with everyone on pretty tight ranges (likely as no one had really got out of line thus far). In game I didn't even think about it, am I totally out thinking this is an easy push?

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BB: t9215 M = 3.23
Hero (UTG): t9490 M = 3.33
MP: t8008 M = 2.81
CO: t3864 M = 1.36
BTN: t19632 M = 6.89
SB: t17291 M = 6.07

Pre Flop: (t2850) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to t9415 all in, 5 folds

another reason not to get wiz

i cant see folding this vs any range. if they call with alot of broadways/Ax we make a profit even in terms of $EV
if they fold up to ~AJ+77+ we make a profit from the shoves.

are you sure? this is insanely profitable please check your settings or maybe u can post a screenshot of your wiz here and we can see whats wrong with it .

Where can I find some guide or information about 27players SnG?

Thanks.

Hi, I'm new so just wanted a check on these hands. Thanks!

These are $2 180 turbos

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds + t25 - 8 players

UTG+1: t4175 M = 6.42
MP1: t3945 M = 6.07
MP2: t11178 M = 17.20
CO: t6475 M = 9.96
Hero (BTN): t3590 M = 5.52
SB: t3425 M = 5.27
BB: t8990 M = 13.83
UTG: t3595 M = 5.53

Pre Flop: (t650) Hero is BTN with 8 T
4 folds, CO calls t300, Hero ?


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UTG: t1587 M = 1.51
UTG+1: t4575 M = 4.36
UTG+2: t1860 M = 1.77
MP1: t2963 M = 2.82
MP2: t21684 M = 20.65
CO: t3210 M = 3.06
BTN: t11900 M = 11.33
Hero (SB): t8695 M = 8.28
BB: t11330 M = 10.79

Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is SB with T T
3 folds, MP1 calls t400, 2 folds, BTN calls t400, Hero ?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t300 - 6 players

This is the FT.

SB: t60580 M = 9.62
BB: t46652 M = 7.41
Hero (UTG): t14528 M = 2.31
MP: t84874 M = 13.47
CO: t7786 M = 1.24
BTN: t55580 M = 8.82

Pre Flop: (t6300) Hero is UTG with 2 A
Hero ?

I probably shove hand 1 but it should be based on reads whether or not he is a weak player, CO openlimps at these blinds are so often fos + 30% of our stack we pick up if they fold & not so awful equity if called and hes going to have a hard time calling of like half his stack /w QT,JT,22-77 etc that have us crushed sometimes, not sure though just smth i tend to do.

Hand 2 easy shove imo we pick up 20-25% of effec stacks & im not raising TT oop into 2-3ppl /w 21bb stack + ahead of range + get called sometimes when were 80/20 and i dont mind a 55/45

Hand 3 i suck at icm so...

all are shoves.

Are you kidding? With 13xBB effective, r/f is the worst option ever. Just ship or fold.

+1

Alright... so the biggest difference between the 45s and the 180s is going to be the payout structure and variance. For a 45man tourney 15.5% of the fields get paid and for winning you get paid 12.9 BI's. For a 180man, 10% of the field gets paid and the top 3 have a large increase in payouts compared to the rest of those who make the money.

So... When i'm playing 45s I try to play a little nittier early on and not get involved in coinflips as often because building the monster stack is not as important since the payouts are flatter. You should aim to make the money if you are a short stack around the bubble and as a large stack you should take more advantage of those who are trying to squeek into the money by being agressive around the bubble. Once you make the money, don't take unnecessary risks but don't be too nitty, kinda in the middle because we just want to move up the pay chart but taking first isn't quite as important as in 180s.

In the 180s, I'm more likely to take chances considering that im going FTW. I am willing to risk my chips with coinflips and draws much more than 45s and I'm basically looking for any chance to increase my stack. I treat the bubble basically as a chance to be agressive and build my stack. And once I'm ITM i'm agressive because If im short, it doesnt matter if i bust in 18th or 10th, i get paid the same amount, so you should really try to build your stack in this time. Final table is more of just looking at ICM spots. But.... yea just go for the win.

Anyone is welcome to PM me if interested in coaching

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SB: t1206 M = 8.04
BB: t1395 M = 9.30
UTG: t1425 M = 9.50
UTG+1: t610 M = 4.07
Hero (UTG+2): t1425 M = 9.50
MP1: t1610 M = 10.73
MP2: t1904 M = 12.69
CO: t1405 M = 9.37
BTN: t3930 M = 26.20

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG+2 with Q K
2 folds, Hero ?????

This is a spot I have trouble with. KQs with 15BBs, especially pre antes. I feel like raise folding costs us too many chips, but shoving 15 BBs here I don't know that we are getting called down with worse often enough for this to be profitable since we only get 1.5 BBs when we take down the pot but can potentially lose 15 when getting called by better. Is anyone folding this? I usually just shove because that's easier but I dunno. Thoughts appreciated.

You need to have smth like 12bb to shove this or have the calling ranges behind you to be <5% or >25% imo so unless they only call TT+ AQ+ it's -cev i think.