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Old 11-28-2011, 01:37 AM   #151
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

300 is somewhat conservative, I would go way earlier if you can afford to move back down/don't have to support a family etc. And yes 600 is a very small sample
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Old 11-28-2011, 05:45 AM   #152
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Thoughts on BRM for the $0.5$ / $1 90man? Are 100BI enough? Also what ROI can be expected?

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Old 11-28-2011, 12:27 PM   #153
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Top 45 man turbo regulars nowadays?
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Old 11-28-2011, 06:32 PM   #154
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what BRM is recommended at the 3.5$ 18 man?
played the 9 man and have MTT experience.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:25 PM   #155
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

[BB] mr.thome (1355)
[1] MindCrushers (1350)
[2] Crazy Tima (1310)
[3] D_DIGGLER99 (145)
[4] jaggalo1231 (2140)
[5] Rogmaster (2140)
[6] abatros (3940)
[But] Patman01 (2500)

Patman01 :Kd :Qc Initial Pot: 150

MindCrushers folds
Crazy Tima folds
D_DIGGLER99 is All in
jaggalo1231 folds
Rogmaster folds
abatros calls 145
Patman01 is All in

Decided to shove too big (20bb effective with flatter)? Definitely +cEV but do you make it like 4x and fold to an shove?

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Old 11-29-2011, 03:27 PM   #156
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

[BB] mr.thome (1355)
[1] MindCrushers (1350)
[2] Crazy Tima (1310)
[3] D_DIGGLER99 (145)
[4] jaggalo1231 (2140)
[5] Rogmaster (2140)
[6] abatros (3940)
[But] Patman01 (2500)

Patman01 :Kd :Qc Initial Pot: 150

MindCrushers folds
Crazy Tima folds
D_DIGGLER99 is All in
jaggalo1231 folds
Rogmaster folds
abatros calls 145
Patman01 is All in

Decided to shove too big (20bb effective with flatter)? Definitely +cEV but do you make it like 4x and fold to an shove?

Thanks
*apologies for awful format
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:46 AM   #157
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Does anyone have a link to strategies/tips for 27-MTTSnGs?

Also is a BR of 25 Bi's enough?

I'm new to MTTSnG's

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Old 11-30-2011, 02:14 PM   #158
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Definitely raising this against a random. Make it big enough so he can fold or just shove you out of the pot. Jamming is sub-optimal but fine of course.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:37 PM   #159
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Definitely raising this against a random. Make it big enough so he can fold or just shove you out of the pot. Jamming is sub-optimal but fine of course.
Thanks, my thoughts too after i shoved, definitely like to 3.5-4x it instead, and fold if he back raises.
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Old 12-01-2011, 04:37 PM   #160
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Does anyone have a link to strategies/tips for 27-MTTSnGs?

Also is a BR of 25 Bi's enough?

I'm new to MTTSnG's

Thanks
Seconded.
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Old 12-03-2011, 08:07 AM   #161
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Top 45 man turbo regulars nowadays?
sharkscope leaderboards + a few top mtts regs play 45s on sunday (mostly)
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Old 12-04-2011, 12:47 PM   #162
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Quick question regarding errors on an 180s FT. Take for example 4.50s. How much equity in $ could a player lose by playing too tight (mostly not shoving enough I guess) on a single hand?

I'm looking for a ballpark. Obv I mean not ridiculously tight, but just not shoving the bottom part of a normal or optimal range. I know this obviously depends on a lot of factor, I guess I look for some average and a high value (still disregarding unusual tight play).

If this is too hard to determine, pls let me know. Thanks in advance your help.
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:46 AM   #163
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almost pointless 4uestion, it depends on the hand. if u are so tight u fold AA then obv you forgo the opportunity of a hugely profitable shove. if you fold like t9o on the btn you might only be passing off a very marginal/break-even shove which could even be justified because of the fact that we have a skill edge/don't necessarily wanna shove if it's that marginal
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:57 AM   #164
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Poker Stars, $13.77 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11246422

BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
Hero (SB): 1,500 (75 bb)
BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
CO: 1,500 (75 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 7
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to 60, 3 folds, CO calls 60, BTN calls 60, Hero calls 50, BB raises to 200, UTG+2 calls 140, CO folds, BTN calls 140, Hero
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Old 12-05-2011, 01:41 PM   #165
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Poker Stars, $3.19 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11246852

BB: 19,594 (19.6 bb)
UTG+2: 18,089 (18.1 bb)
MP1: 34,763 (34.8 bb)
MP2: 6,210 (6.2 bb)
MP3: 21,843 (21.8 bb)
Hero (CO): 12,873 (12.9 bb)
BTN: 15,410 (15.4 bb)
SB: 23,697 (23.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A 6
4 folds, Hero raises to 12,773 and is all-in
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Old 12-05-2011, 03:42 PM   #166
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

@OMGClayDol: What I supposed, thanks anyway. Maybe over time I'll figure it out.


Other question: When starting to learn push/fold, what is the way to go?

My plan would get a feeling for the Nash Ranges proposed in Kill Everyone for cEV shoves. Once I have this feeling I could than start to include tendencies of opponents and also bubble factor/ICM.

Or should I just go ahead, play and learn whatever I encounter along the way, picking up both cEV and ICM-influenced Nash Ranges and "normal" Ranges simultaneously?

Once again, any answer would be very appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:13 PM   #167
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

the pair seems a pretty close fold personally, calling 140 with 1500 stacks is really borderline but is is multi-way so you are more likely to get paid off if/when you hit.
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the nash ranges aren't a great idea because they all assume equal stack sizes, and more importantly because it's just the nash ranges those ranges are only the best ranges if everyone else is playing them also - a different range is almost always going to be better to play. they are still an ok guideline. the program sng wizard will be useful for helping you with your game although it's around 100$ and it has it's limitations. if you use it decently/correctly it should help quite a bit. and i'd mostly just learn cev ranges to begin with, icm later. in general you can play cev throughout the whole thing until the final table, when you are on the bubble etc you should be calling a bit tighter if you risk busting etc but it's not a huge deal..
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:29 PM   #168
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

I currently try to swing by w/o SNGWiz, b/c I'm not 100% whether I will commit myself to playing MTTSNGs enough to actually make it worthwhile or if they will be just a learning exercise before I look for new topics or return to cash games. Thought about using the new HoldemResources Beta Calculator and edit ranges accordingly. Not sure, but I think I could even tweak cEV ranges by using a winner-takes-all structure as prize pool. Would this do as well?

Thanks again for answering those questions.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:38 PM   #169
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maybe try googling icmizer. im not sure how good/reliable/blah it is but it seems ok, its free and it even apparently has some advantages to sng wiz for equity calculations etc. should be easyish to use also. holdemresources is decent too (nash is an ok default range), but obv adjusting ranges to what you think ppl call in reality is significantly better (ie sng wiz or icmizer or equivelant)
and yes cev is winner take all
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Old 12-06-2011, 03:25 PM   #170
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Old 12-06-2011, 05:21 PM   #171
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

not much info on villain besides that I saw him shoving more then your normal random player, maybe a reg. I'd also like to know if you should maybe go a little tighter on calling in such spots considering stakes. I'm currently playing the 2's and the shoving going on seems much much less then on higher stakes.



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SB: t5350 M = 2.85
Hero (BB): t9105 M = 4.86
UTG: t11212 M = 5.98
UTG+1: t17962 M = 9.58
UTG+2: t4090 M = 2.18
MP1: t6505 M = 3.47
MP2: t7685 M = 4.10
CO: t9000 M = 4.80
BTN: t4004 M = 2.14

Pre Flop: (t1875) Hero is BB with 3 Q
6 folds, BTN raises to t3929 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls t3129
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:32 PM   #172
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if hes a reg i call, with reads i might just muck. calling and losing significantly affects our fold equity so i need bit more than cev to call. generally calculate:
what it costs to call/what the total pot will be if you call = what equity you need, add 1-4% for margin of error, and tax if you have a stack that will lose fold equity if you call/lose, etc.
then pokerstove what range he is likely to have (on average anyway) vs. your hand and see if you have enough.
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:32 PM   #173
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:25 PM   #174
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Quick question regarding shoving ranges.

This is from a 1$/90 midgame (not sure but somewhat around 40-45 players still in I guess, 12 payed). Obv A7s is a push, but what range should I be pushing in this spot? No reads on any of the players, but the field should be pretty weak i guess.

    Poker Stars, $0.91 Buy-in (125/250 blinds, 25 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG+2: 2,710 (10.8 bb)
    MP1: 1,770 (7.1 bb)
    MP2: 6,117 (24.5 bb)
    MP3: 3,465 (13.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): 2,020 (8.1 bb)
    BTN: 1,590 (6.4 bb)
    SB: 5,810 (23.2 bb)
    BB: 4,735 (18.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 7 A
    4 folds, Hero raises to 1,995 and is all-in, 3 folds

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    Old 12-08-2011, 08:35 AM   #175
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    depends on the players behind
    but usually ax kx 22 q2s q6o j7o j6s t6s t7o etc. pretty wide. antes = mass dead money, and ppl usually call pretty tight. if loose regs behind obviously tighter but not many at $1 level. although if really loose randoms also tighter since they will call more too
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