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Originally Posted by MangoBall
OmgClayDol, Hey just checking up on a few things about the Final table and ICM that I don't think u mentioned in the top 0.56% (which btw is very nicely done and in depth )
Im playing turbo 45mans atm at the 1.5$ level, so not many 'regs' play at these small stakes i think
Payouts are:
1st: 19$
2nd:13.15$
3rd: 10.09$
4th: 7.65$
I noticed the jump from 2nd to 1st is even bigger than 4th to 2nd so considering this...
Im wondering if in the final 4. folded to on the SB, you should Jam any two if everyone on the table has about 10BBish including Hero.
Also would this change if one stack is about 5ish BB deep and the rest are still 10BB
And does anything change going to 3 handed, 10 BB everyone, folded to on the SB.
and then to heads-up
I used to play heaps of HUSNG Im wondering if nash equil / SAGE is effective to use here
Thanks and soz for the long Question :P
Not an ICM expert especially for 45 structure so maybe others could help you more with such a question. Basically also going to recommend you get SNG Wiz (they have a free trial for 30 days) and the investment will definitely be worth it in the long run if you use it correctly
For the ATC question, vs. many people; no. It really depends entirely on the villains calling range, sometimes in spots where they SHOULD be calling really tight because of the pay jumps and ICM, they won't - because they simply don't know better. Therefore the best range for us to shove is going to depend completely on villain's calling range, and you'll have to use SNG wiz to see what range to shove vs. different calling ranges. - Don't just estimate a calling range in a spot and see what to shove vs. that, change that calling range and see how it affects our shoving range!
If one stack is 5BB deep then ICM implications become heavier, so in theory the other guy SHOULD be calling even tighter, that being said it's the same answer as above. If villain is bad/calling too wide then shoving ATC is suicidal as when we get called and lose, we lose just as much equity as villain does when he calls and lose..
3 handed does change because the payout structure is different, again no specific/general rules but SNG wiz will help if you play around with the ranges there.
Heads up, those kind of strategies are maybe okay as defaults especially when you are kind of just learning or whatever but in the long run they are almost never going to the most profitable strategies. For example nash is only going to be the most +EV strategy if villain is also playing nash, which is rare. If they aren't then again SNG Wiz will be able to help you there
Also, more than say 12 BBs or so, heads up you should be opening rather than just jam/fold vs. most villains anyway.
Sorry for recommending Wiz that much but basically not much else will help for those specific type of situations and spots.
Gl man