There's nothing of substance to respond to in this. Plenty of the best 180 regs raise fold. Give some math on why stealing is bad or there's nothing to be said.

Also, tell me more about how tough 3r fields are.

Dude, you piss me off. Impossible to have a civilized discussion with you.
Continue to listen to nano-stakes reg advice.

The math is pretty simple btw. You need a much too big hand samplesize to have a situation like this and you probably almost never have a guy over 500 hands with these stats. Also you are widening alot of reshove ranges, bc it looks ******ed and players get nervous in such spots.

Nothing of substance... shows what poor poster you are. So gross.
A good poster would take some time to respond to all points i made, but you just try to disrespect me. Happens often on 2p2, admittedly.

Stealing bad? I don't ever said that. If im stealing with this size im not counting on folding in most cases. Lol, i r/f too, yes, but ....almost never having 13 bb. You don't get it. **** you for turning words around.

Another important point is. What hands are you shoving with if you have 13bb?
Don't you think its supertransparent how strong your hand is? Any real reg would have noted that your 2xing with shallow stacks with weak hands.

So if you still want to shove 13bb stacks you have to sacrifice the momentum you would get if you keep all your hands in your shoving range. Also, you can
exploit alot of these players by shoving too wide as well.

There is so much more about pokerstrategy than the EV of a single K6o hand on the btn. If i would see you 2xing 13bb i shove ridiculous wide on you every single time plus i tighten up my calling range if you shove.

This is a good point. When r/fing you do have to make some quite clear distinctions in hands. But you've twice referred to "regs" adjusting to this. Perhaps you misread, but I said and meant that this is primarily something for exploiting recs who reship too light (notice that the general open shoving strategy we all employ is based on the same idea, this is just more exploitative). With good players behind you adjust.

That's not to say that you don't also get a lot of value with it against players who do adjust. If you start "shoving ridiculously wide" on someone doing this, they can readjust, widen their r/calling range and get even more value from it. And if you start "tightening up your calling range when they shove", all the better for them!

When you 2x and someone ships on you for 13bb the pot is usually only laying you odds that require 39-42% eq (depending on whether the reshove is from the blinds or not) to make a breakeven call. Given that, there's no problem with it in loads of spots, and it can be optimal with lots of hands. When we shove (which is fine, and definitely the best play in loads of spots also) we're exploiting tight calling ranges. When you r/f you're exploiting tight reshipping ranges.

Spew?

PokerStars - $0.91+$0.09|25/50 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 1,365
UTG: 1,170 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
UTG+1: 1,960 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG+2: 2,225 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 15)
MP: 1,415 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP+1: 2,055 (VPIP: 53.33, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
CO: 4,615 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BTN: 5,410 (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 980 (VPIP: 19.70, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 66)

SB posts SB 25, Hero posts BB 50

Pre Flop: (pot: 75) Hero has K J

fold, UTG+1 raises to 150, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 150, fold, Hero calls 100

Flop: (475, 3 players) 8 7 8
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 150, BTN calls 150, Hero raises to 500, UTG+1 calls 350, fold

Turn: (1,625, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 715 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 715

River: (3,055, 2 players) T

Fold pre. Flatting an UTG raise with KJ OOP is terrible here (and in fact in most cases).

Not even going to comment on PF. I think you know all that needs to be said about it.

Yeah, I totally forget about positions. Thanks!

I am the biggest fish... Sigh.

Was near the bubble so decided to try some stupid crazy fishy moves.

PokerStars - $0.91+$0.09|200/400 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 9,555 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
UTG: 11,721 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 6,875 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP): 9,995
CO: 7,025 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 40)
BTN: 13,415 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
SB: 15,326 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)

7 players post ante of 50, SB posts SB 200, BB posts BB 400

Pre Flop: (pot: 950) Hero has 2 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 800, fold, fold, SB calls 600, BB calls 400

Flop: (2,750, 3 players) 8 7 6
SB checks, BB bets 1,600, Hero calls 1,600, fold

Turn: (5,950, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (5,950, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 2,052, BB calls 2,052

Don't post this. Also don't do it.

Should I be folding this? Since we are pretty deep should I avoid marginal situations like this?
PokerStars - $2.28+$0.22|100/200 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 7,940 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG+1: 3,370 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)
UTG+2: 4,480 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (MP): 5,420
MP+1: 4,715 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 3,605 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BTN: 4,480 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 310 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 4,415 (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 100, BB posts BB 200

Pre Flop: (pot: 300) Hero has K 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 400, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 200

Flop: (900, 2 players) J 2 8
BB checks, Hero bets 425, BB raises to 4,015 and is all-in, Hero calls 3,590

Turn: (8,930, 2 players) K

River: (8,930, 2 players) 9

yup. generally too loose.
although the rec in the bb makes it okay

Hand 1

Is this okay in the long run?

PokerStars - $0.45+$0.05|300/600 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 3,880 (VPIP: 34.78, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 46)
CO: 9,570 (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
BTN: 4,675 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 8.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (SB): 8,327
BB: 5,615 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 17.46, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)

5 players post ante of 50, Hero posts SB 300, BB posts BB 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,150) Hero has 9 T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8,277 and is all-in, BB calls 4,965 and is all-in

Flop: (11,380, 2 players) 7 A 7

Turn: (11,380, 2 players) Q

River: (11,380, 2 players) 7



Hand 2

PokerStars - $0.45+$0.05|300/600 Ante 50 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 10,652 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
Hero (CO): 5,314
BTN: 4,990 (VPIP: 8.93, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
SB: 4,780 (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 32)
BB: 9,335 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 16)
UTG: 6,185 (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
UTG+1: 7,425 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 5)
MP: 18,819 (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 19.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 73)

8 players post ante of 50, SB posts SB 300, BB posts BB 600

Pre Flop: (pot: 1,300) Hero has 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5,264 and is all-in, fold, fold, BB calls 4,664

Flop: (11,228, 2 players) 3 6 3

Turn: (11,228, 2 players) Q

River: (11,228, 2 players) K

both fine

how come BB's PFR is higher then his VPIP?

No idea with that. Is it bugged or?

Seen it before. Not sure how it happens.

Check this

It's the final table. Inactive for a couple of orbits and card dead. Do you shove this? Shoving range from this position and those stacks? Thanks.

Meh, folding or jamming is ok.

Looks like a fine shove.

you'd lose a bit in $EV unless table is calling shoves pretty tight
44 is close

These are my first 1000 $2.50 180-man tournaments. I'm pretty new to grinding tournaments but I've played poker for a few years with moderate success. Mainly LHE and PLO. Obviously I ran like Jesus on water in the beginning but I'm getting the feeling that I really have to run great to make any money grinding these since it's so top heavy in payouts.

I guess my main question is if this a super standard 1000 games stretch?

This stretch shouldn't be uncommon for a marginal winner in these games. Come back with 5k games and continue to improve. If you play 180man turbos packed with players all working on their game (not that their game is good already in most cases) you shouldn't expect that high of a roi anyway.

Either you play loads of 2.50s with a marginal winrate or you try/mix in a better game for br building. I would rather play 9man hypers to build my roll than this game, since it takes eternities to make money in it (Even if you play 1000 games with 50% roi you just have scraped 1250 bucks together). Sry, but these games just suck to build a br with... and i played tons of different games to build my br with.

To be honest there isn't much room for any beginner in any game. You won't make alot of profit without playing ridiculous volume, bc its 2013. That is no rant, just a serious warning not to waste your time.

Well my roll is roughly $1500 so I'm somewhat over-rolled for these $2.50's. I'm playing them mainly to get better at tournaments and prepare for moving to big field MTT's at some point.

Either that or move back to PLO.

So what games do you think áre good for a micro mtt player,? I believe the 180s are still best tbh.