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02-25-2012 , 10:58 AM
just want to know peoples ranges UTG with 10bb and antes. i have been studying shoving ranges from every position with 10bbs and antes using sng wiz and have made my own charts. i just wonder whether some of these ranges are maybe too loose? note: opponent calling ranges can obviously differ dependent on stack sizes but as a default i set everyone stack to 10bbs and calling ranges all between 7 - 14% (tell me if u think these should be adjusted). from UTG with 10bbs and antes it says any PP, A10o+, A2s+ K10+ K9s+ etc. the one thats been bugging me is the A2s(rag)+ hands.. im finding it really hard to believe that pushing A2s from UTG can be profitable even with 10BBS as any hand that calls us is going to have us dominated to death pretty much every time. im much happier getting it in UTG with say 89s or QJo etc as we still have a good chance to win at showdown against calling ranges. any thoughts? thanks in advance.
02-27-2012 , 05:52 AM
that range is fine, depending table u can prob cut of the weakest axs and maybe kto. with 9bb i guess u can/should "always" shove a2s kto tho barring a sb or sb with 2bb or w/e.
02-27-2012 , 05:54 AM
10bb A9s
9bb A5s
8bb Axs

Although im not sure im shoving Axs utg with 8bb in game yet. Hmmmm
02-27-2012 , 11:15 AM
thanks very much guys. much appreciated
02-28-2012 , 07:34 AM
calum101 have you tried www.pushbotapps.com ?

if you wan't to take the tighter road, just fold when your edge is less than 0.2M. Think they are actually marked yellow instead of green.
02-28-2012 , 08:02 AM
^^^seems a waste of money having already bought sng wiz!!!
02-28-2012 , 07:29 PM
if you are not a mass-multitabler it's fast enough to use ingame. So it's really great for learning.

It's just nice when you are in doubt of a hand, that you can just ask your iphone in 2sec

sngwiz is the nuts for postgame analysis obv
02-29-2012 , 06:38 PM
27/20 on 15 hands, standard shove or wait for short stacks to bust?
$1.5 45 man sng
this was a fold, not by much, on sngwiz

    Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12037642

    SB: 6,426 (8 bb)
    BB: 22,431 (28 bb)
    UTG: 3,790 (4.7 bb)
    MP: 10,970 (13.7 bb)
    CO: 17,473 (21.8 bb)
    Hero (BTN): 6,410 (8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
    2 folds, CO raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 6,360 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 4,760

    Flop: (14,220) 7 T A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (14,220) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (14,220) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 14,220 pot
    Final Board: 7 T A K 9
    CO showed A 5 and won 14,220 (7,810 net)
    Hero showed J J and lost (-6,410 net)



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    03-01-2012 , 08:33 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by puchium
    27/20 on 15 hands, standard shove or wait for short stacks to bust?
    $1.5 45 man sng
    this was a fold, not by much, on sngwiz

      Poker Stars, $1.36 Buy-in (400/800 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12037642

      SB: 6,426 (8 bb)
      BB: 22,431 (28 bb)
      UTG: 3,790 (4.7 bb)
      MP: 10,970 (13.7 bb)
      CO: 17,473 (21.8 bb)
      Hero (BTN): 6,410 (8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with J J
      2 folds, CO raises to 1,600, Hero raises to 6,360 and is all-in, 2 folds, CO calls 4,760

      Flop: (14,220) 7 T A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (14,220) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (14,220) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 14,220 pot
      Final Board: 7 T A K 9
      CO showed A 5 and won 14,220 (7,810 net)
      Hero showed J J and lost (-6,410 net)



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      never fold here
      03-02-2012 , 07:45 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by puchium
      this was a fold, not by much

      no
      03-07-2012 , 04:33 AM
      quick question, prob wrong place and off topic but what do u press to quickly register for the same tourneys that you are already registered in?

      CTRL and ??
      03-07-2012 , 01:15 PM
      ctrl+s
      03-07-2012 , 05:02 PM
      Hey,

      I know he 3xed and I know the ICM implications but this too strong to not 3b ship here right? ty in advance.



        Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12103022

        BTN: 139,472 (27.9 bb)
        Hero (SB): 94,376 (18.9 bb)
        BB: 36,152 (7.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
        BTN raises to 15,000, Hero raises to 93,876 and is all-in, BB folds, BTN calls 78,876

        Flop: (194,252) K 5 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        Turn: (194,252) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: (194,252) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: 194,252 pot
        Final Board: K 5 2 9 8
        BTN showed K K and won 194,252 (99,876 net)
        Hero showed T A and lost (-94,376 net)



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        03-07-2012 , 07:28 PM
        Well it depends, it's deff not like u could never ever fold it.

        For this to be +EV in therms of icm he needs to like open 40% and call <12%. If he opens wider than 40% this is an easy jam pretty much always. If he opens like 20% he needs to only call like 4%.
        Not gonna do all the math here or go through every possible scenario, but as you can see plenty of spots here were jamming really is a mistake.
        03-07-2012 , 08:04 PM
        He was playing quite aggressively but not opening to this size. How did you work that out sir? Thanks
        03-08-2012 , 04:35 AM
        Not sure if this is the right thread, but I've been returning to poker only to discover that I'm a marginal winner at todays cashgames. Right now I'm playing the 180's and 45's and they seem to be a lot easier.

        What I am wondering is about my setup. Right now I tile 12 tables on a 30" and keep the lobby/HM on my other screen, but maybe I should make the move to stacking instead and try to multitable significantly more tables??

        What is the general consensus here? And having played on euro sites mostly I do not have Table Ninja, should I buy that? Right now I don't seem to be having any problems without it (with stars auto hotkey), although the BB indicator seems nice.
        03-08-2012 , 08:06 AM
        @ ChAAnt: bit of playing with the wizz. That's imo what makes this program so awesome. You really don't want to just plug in your hands and see what it says, but try diffent ranges, stacksizes etc and see what you get. That's what will help you improve your ingame estimates in the future.

        @kabouter: Many many regs play a lot more tables, if you want a descent hourly you're prob gonna have to do the same. I personally am usually in the high 20's- low 30's, altough I have played up to 40 tables. Would deff recommend stacking w these numbers. I've got TN and wouldn't want to do without it, have to be honest here in that I didn't try the stars hotkeys yet, so dunno if they get anywere close. Imo TN is worth it even if just for the BB indicator and clicking away all of the ok messages that come with regging.
        03-10-2012 , 08:54 PM
        [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12130222

        UTG: 8,953 (5.6 bb)
        MP: 22,648 (14.2 bb)
        CO: 20,757 (13 bb)
        Hero (BTN): 18,158 (11.3 bb)
        SB: 14,397 (9 bb)
        BB: 45,377 (28.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 9
        3 folds, Hero raises to 3,440, SB raises to 14,247 and is all-in, BB raises to 25,054

        Hero........



        Vs 2 okish regs. The overshove by the bb looks so strong imo, but we have such good odds to call. What is your calling range in this spot?
        03-10-2012 , 11:26 PM
        against 2 allins KK+, at best Ak,QQ+ in da micros

        i sighfold

        normaly i just openshove
        03-11-2012 , 06:35 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by wbuster
        against 2 allins KK+
        Waaaaaay too tight.

        Both SB and BB are "okish regs". SB can be wide with his stack to a BTN open even if he doesn't have FE, and sure BB has a hand but knows he can overcall profitably a wider than you'd expect range given the action is from 2 LP shorties.

        We are getting ~2.7 to 1, meaning we need ~27% equity to make the call, and even if you give SB and BB conservative ranges, you are getting that with many hands, including 99.

        Folding QQ, JJ etc in this situation would be absurd.
        03-11-2012 , 07:10 AM
        Great explanation man. I had this feeling but couldn't communicate it.
        03-11-2012 , 08:27 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Aliquantum
        Waaaaaay too tight.

        Both SB and BB are "okish regs". SB can be wide with his stack to a BTN open even if he doesn't have FE, and sure BB has a hand but knows he can overcall profitably a wider than you'd expect range given the action is from 2 LP shorties.

        We are getting ~2.7 to 1, meaning we need ~27% equity to make the call, and even if you give SB and BB conservative ranges, you are getting that with many hands, including 99.

        Folding QQ, JJ etc in this situation would be absurd.
        what are these "conservative ranges" these LP players have in your opinion?
        03-11-2012 , 08:44 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by XMenCypher
        what are these "conservative ranges" these LP players have in your opinion?
        Well here's an extreme example: say we give SB ~15% and BB 88+, AQo+, AJs+ (if they are indeed regs they are wider), we still have the equity to call 99. So we don't have to be all that accurate with estimating ranges in this specific spot because we're correct to call even in this very conservative scenario.
        03-11-2012 , 09:24 AM
        sry, didnt saw this is otb

        so yeah call
        03-11-2012 , 05:07 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Aliquantum
        Well here's an extreme example: say we give SB ~15% and BB 88+, AQo+, AJs+ (if they are indeed regs they are wider), we still have the equity to call 99. So we don't have to be all that accurate with estimating ranges in this specific spot because we're correct to call even in this very conservative scenario.
        Thanks for the explanation and input but I'm not sure that 99 is a call here, for a few reasons.

        I actually think sb is much wider in this spot, given the pot odds and his stack size. I'd give him around 30%. As for the bb, as I say he is an okish reg and I don't think hes capable of overcalling with anything worse than AQo, 88. I calculated it on pokerstove, our equity in a 3 way pot is actually only 23% with 99. Add to this the fact that we are not 100 percent chip ev as it is the final table bubble and I think that this has to be a fold.

              
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