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Old 08-17-2016, 09:39 PM   #751
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

If anybody knows how many $4.50 180s run per day and how many $3r,$8, $15 turbo 180s run per day on average I'd appreciate the info.

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Old 08-23-2016, 05:58 AM   #752
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Hi guys,

It may sound a bit dummy, so I decided not to start a new topic.

What kind of software do you use on a daily basis for hand review?

Ofc ICM is a must, for me it is HRC since it's cheaper than ICMizer (I don't play KO) and just does the job.

What about analyzing postflop play? Do you use just Equilab or Flopzilla improved your review sessions substantially? Flopzilla certainly allows to test what kind of hands villain can have and what percentage of the time (given we put him on a certain range) However I would need to go to equilab anyway to see how my holding is doing against his range on a certain board. 35$ is not a fortune, but still 35 BI when you start.

Is there anything else I should be using? Obviously I don't want to go crazy, just something that will cerrtainly help me move up.

Thank you in advance!

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Old 08-23-2016, 04:35 PM   #753
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Nothing much for me postflop. I once spent a month not playing online, only playing HU against PokerSnowie, which I think improved my postflop play a lot.
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Old 08-23-2016, 06:50 PM   #754
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

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Nothing much for me postflop. I once spent a month not playing online, only playing HU against PokerSnowie, which I think improved my postflop play a lot.
Apparently there is a 10 day trial. I'll check it out, thanks!
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Old 09-02-2016, 08:31 PM   #755
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Nothing much for me postflop. I once spent a month not playing online, only playing HU against PokerSnowie, which I think improved my postflop play a lot.
isn't pokersnowie for cashgames ? how did you adapt ? Did you do the challenge with less big blinds ?
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:33 AM   #756
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

I'm posting this here rather than starting a thread, because this isn't my hand, it's a hand commented on by a coach I'm thinking of getting in contact with and I am interested if people think his views on the hand are right or nonsense.

Blinds 800/1600/160
SB (Hero) 31K
BB 34 K (TAG)
LJ 7.5K
HJ 23K
CO 56K
BTN 16K
Hero is dealt KK

Preflop
4 folds, SB raises to 3.2K, BB calls

Flop (7.84K) A77
Hero???

So what would we do here?

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isn't pokersnowie for cashgames ? how did you adapt ? Did you do the challenge with less big blinds ?
Yes I did.
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Old 02-12-2017, 07:29 PM   #757
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Don't really see any reason to bet that flop.
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Old 02-14-2017, 06:44 AM   #758
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Me neither, but the coach said it was a bet.

At the time I was just "well this is obviously lol, but let's keep listening to these hand commentaries and play 'spot the errors'" - which is a fine way to get your brain actively engaged with audio content anyway. Now 20 hours of content later he's hardly said anything I disagree with and I'm wondering if I'm actually wrong about this and what could be possible reasons to bet. The guy does base his analysis on database work.

All I can think of is this....

Maybe if we check, our range just looks like KK-TT and Ace-rag hoping to bluff-catch so we never get bluffed. Whereas he will float a c-bet pretty wide then bluff after we slow down on the turn? Against an actual 7 or A we lose about 2 streets of value however we play it.
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Old 02-14-2017, 09:01 AM   #759
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

It's gonna be hard for BB to rep Ax there BvB at this depth. I would also consider either limping pre or raising this to a bigger sizing (with all of my raising range).

I could maybe think that QQ might be better to bet here as there's more Kx that might float a c-bet, but with KK we block that massively. We are getting value from FDs, that's about it (maybe some BDSD combos also).
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Old 02-14-2017, 10:16 AM   #760
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Yeah, the coach also didn't like the preflop sizing. Part of the 20 hours of sensible stuff he's been saying. That's why I'm tempted to approach this one from the assumption that it is correct to bet, and let's try to work out why it is.

I think part of the question is, what hands would we check here? It seems to me it's a lot of hands like this - made hands intending to call. Do we even check-fold anything?

I agree the value targets are pretty hard to find, but maybe turning our hand face-up and saying we have essentially a hand like this that isn't afraid of getting drawn out on makes it even harder?
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:32 AM   #761
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Tournament structure might also be a factor here, although I am thinking about this from a cEV prespective.

I've run a few sims on this spot with some various ranges and it will heavily depend on the ranges we are assigning both SB and BB here. Obviously, the structure may well have an impact on the ranges we assign, as would tendencies of both players in this spot. The outcomes of these different ranges were mixed. Some situations were recommending to c-bet KK here (and indeed complete range) and some others had SB checking all of the time.

If we are starting to check some % of the time here, then KK is the second most checked combo (behind 77).

Obviously, this is looking at it from a balanced perspective with no real exploitative play. There could be reasons or potential reads that we have that might make our play more optimal, but without any info besides the stacks and BB being TAG, it looks like we can justify both checking and betting here - depending massively on the ranges we are using.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:36 AM   #762
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Interesting. Which are the ranges that have us c-betting all hands? Is it when we are relatively tight pre-flop and he is relatively loose?
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:57 AM   #763
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Think about his preflop-calling range and what hands he would reshove with.
Yes, he could have the Ax he is not reshoving in his preflop-calling range. He doesn't have that many 7x though. Also most of the pockets that are 88+ are going to reshove before the flop.
So basically you have a range advantage on a flop that he missed quite alot. You only get value from him bluffing, which makes the flop and probably alot off turns an easy check. Check/call depending on his sizing. I wouldn't bluffcatch huge barrels obviously.
The assignment of ranges shouldn't be much of a problem in a spot like this, considering we know heros range.
Also disagree about making it bigger here. 2x is totally fine and i think the effective stacks are too deep to consider limping. All we do is keep the pot artificially small with a very strong holding. I don't mind limping though, it just looks a tad worse than just opening.
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Old 02-16-2017, 08:59 AM   #764
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

i think it depends whether or not we think villain is any good.

Against most villains I like check-call, because it's correct that they will bluff if we check to them a few times, whereas they will fold too much if we bet. Most players want to "play poker" and are not going to check 3 streets with the intention of folding when we show we hate the flop.

If we bet maybe 1/3 pot on the flopthere is no way he is calling 75% of his hands. Same if we bet 1/2 pot, he isn't calling 67%.

For that reason, a thinking player will know that we have a profitable c-bet with all our air, so we literally don't have a check-fold range at all. If villain wants to bluff he won't very often fire a single barrel against what is obviously our strong check-call range - he'd do better floating flop and betting against out against our range which checks to him on the turn. That's why KK plays well as part of that range. We hate it if we get raised on the flop of course.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:08 PM   #765
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Hello:
I am embarrassed with this question, but it is something that I have debated lately with several friends of mine, in the FT of 180m / 45m / 27 on demand we use a strategy with ICM tax or we only start to think the spots with ICM from 3 handed ? I played 18m and always used ICM in FT because I think it makes a lot of sense for the linear structure of prizes, but in these modalities ?, I ask because I see that most of the distribution of prizes is from third place onwards. If someone can solve that doubt I thank him
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:20 PM   #766
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

3 is just an arbitrary number. More of the money is from 4th onwards. Even more of it is from 5th onwards etc. But in any case, if the real money is in the top 3 then presumably it would mean we should make big adjustments when 4-handed so as not to bust out 1 place away from the real money, and also adjustments when 5-handed so as not to bust 2 places away etc.

If you're saying that some formats are top heavy then ok, but ICM already reflects that.

Specifically about 45s, ICM pressure is highest when there are 6-9 players left, not 2-5.
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Old 03-03-2017, 01:02 AM   #767
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

PokerStars Hand #167028896271: Tournament #1842620758, $3.30+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (2500/5000) - 2017/03/03 12:40:26 CUST [2017/03/02 20:40:26 ET]
Table '1842620758 6' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Umzumbe (39954 in chips)
Seat 2: Iwan xl (89024 in chips)
Seat 3: CaNuFolD_AA? (43849 in chips)
Seat 4: GABRIELSEBE (93642 in chips)
Seat 5: walter-cabo (231614 in chips)
Seat 6: Dakcontroler (145628 in chips)
Seat 7: ludmillafern (68766 in chips)
Seat 8: comeecome88 (151720 in chips)
Seat 9: hyperel (10803 in chips)
Umzumbe: posts the ante 500
Iwan xl: posts the ante 500
CaNuFolD_AA?: posts the ante 500
GABRIELSEBE: posts the ante 500
walter-cabo: posts the ante 500
Dakcontroler: posts the ante 500
ludmillafern: posts the ante 500
comeecome88: posts the ante 500
hyperel: posts the ante 500
Umzumbe: posts small blind 2500
Iwan xl: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Umzumbe [xx xx]
CaNuFolD_AA?: raises 38349 to 43349 and is all-in
GABRIELSEBE: folds
walter-cabo: raises 38349 to 81698
Dakcontroler: folds
ludmillafern: folds
comeecome88: folds
hyperel: folds
Umzumbe:

Whats your range here? Don't have any specific reads on the players since they're just randoms. In my mind the min3bet from reraiser means a decent pocket pair but nothing huge. Or am I wrong?
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:48 AM   #768
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Agree, if he has a hand he would likely just overcall for the most part. To put him specificly on a pocketpair is kinda irrational though. Let me say it so:
He can have the nuts, but is unlikely to have it.
On average the population has more like the top 15% without most AA, most KK, some QQ, some AK, because its just such a standard spot to "trap" by just overcalling. Should be obvious though to every thinking player that this guy must have some sort of hand.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:37 AM   #769
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Re: *** Official MTTSNG quick checkup thread ***

Hi,

Quick check-up since I am totally lost with the "supposed" no-brainers. Could someone let me know, if this is a completely standard snap-call?

$2.5/180, no stats for the Villain





    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37682025

    Hero (BB): 8,082 (20.2 bb)
    MP1: 2,890 (7.2 bb)
    MP2: 7,658 (19.1 bb)
    MP3: 6,451 (16.1 bb)
    CO: 7,558 (18.9 bb)
    BTN: 18,934 (47.3 bb)
    SB: 7,668 (19.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A 5
    MP1 raises to 2,840 and is all-in, 5 folds, Hero calls 2,440

    Flop: (6,230) K Q 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    Turn: (6,230) A (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (6,230) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

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    Old 03-18-2017, 08:50 AM   #770
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    What stage in the tournament is it?
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    Old 03-18-2017, 08:57 AM   #771
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    What stage in the tournament is it?
    Hmm, good question. Can't remember correctly, but my best guess would be something around 50 left out of 180. 27 paid.
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    Old 03-18-2017, 10:56 AM   #772
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    This is too weak to call with vs an UTG shove IMO - you're not much better than flipping vs his broadway hands and getting crushed by a bunch of stuff. This might be a marginally +chip EV call but risking reducing your stack to 13BB isn't worth it IMO.
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    Old 03-18-2017, 10:59 AM   #773
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    It's a nash call. It should be profitable if he is jamming as wide as

    19.2%, 22+ A2s+ A9o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s 98s

    Real villains are often heavier on aces and lighter on connectors, which would be really bad for you with your specific hand, so maybe it should be a fold actually.
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    Old 03-18-2017, 11:41 AM   #774
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    Nash calls are usually deadly if it comes to the smaller limits. Especially if you do them vs unknowns.
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    Old 03-18-2017, 01:59 PM   #775
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    Yes, you just need to take out 98s, T9s and J9s, and replace them with A8o (i.e. swap twelve combos for twelve combos so still 19.2%) for A5o to be a fold.

    His actual nash range is 27% but he isn't playing that for sure.
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