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KK vs re-raise all-in KK vs re-raise all-in

08-22-2011 , 12:43 AM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10338822

SB: 11,213 (7 bb)
BB: 22,600 (14.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 33,687 (21.1 bb)

Preflop: (225) Hero is BTN with K K
Hero raises to 3,200, SB folds, BB calls 1,600

Flop: (7,425) Q Q T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,600, BB calls 1,600

Turn: (10,625) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 3,200, BB raises to 17,725 and is all-in, Hero ?


I think my c-bet it weak ?
If I c-bet 2/3 pot he will fold ?

Last edited by farohz; 08-22-2011 at 12:50 AM.
08-22-2011 , 01:11 AM
your flop c-bet was def too small, your KK is under-represented because of that. your turn bet was def too small as well.

given your line, i think you definitely need to call. i would imagine kings being the best hand here a VERY large % of the time.

villain might play Qx like this, but i think based on your bet sizing, we can assign him a wider range.

bet 3-4k on the flop.

will he fold to a larger c-bet? perhaps. although, i cant imagine many hands he would peel a flop with, and then check shove a turn, especially if its for value.

given how this hand was played, you need to call.
08-22-2011 , 01:57 AM
more flop and shove turn
as played call

Last edited by OMGClayDol; 08-22-2011 at 01:57 AM. Reason: like half pot or so on flop is fine
08-23-2011 , 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by josh1985
your flop c-bet was def too small
I completely agree, but there is one point here I'd like to mention-on a flop like this it's sometimes good to bet less than usual (25-30% of the pot) to rep the Queen to balance your play. It's usually very confusing for the villain.
08-23-2011 , 12:26 PM
When fishy villains (this is a 50c game so reasonable assumption) take a line of c/c flop c/r turn when the board is paired I'd say there's > 80% chance that you are drawing super thin. Given how much you have committed so far, looking at the stack setups, and considering the payout jump from 3>2, I'd say this would be one of those times where it's reasonable to just fold.
08-23-2011 , 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazillion
When fishy villains (this is a 50c game so reasonable assumption) take a line of c/c flop c/r turn when the board is paired I'd say there's > 80% chance that you are drawing super thin. Given how much you have committed so far, looking at the stack setups, and considering the payout jump from 3>2, I'd say this would be one of those times where it's reasonable to just fold.
I'm folding. Looks like villian has some type of Q and is pooping in his pants because of the flush draw on the board.
08-23-2011 , 12:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
more flop and shove turn
as played call
/\/\/\ > this

your c-bet does appear to pretty weak so unless thats what you were trying to rep' make it stronger next time.
08-23-2011 , 04:52 PM
check flop imo
08-23-2011 , 06:58 PM
I don't mind small betting, but minbet is too small there unless you are trying to (and strongly believe!) villain will playback.

It's not a super happy fun time call, but you have to make it the way you bet
08-23-2011 , 08:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by farohz
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 75 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10338822

SB: 11,213 (7 bb)
BB: 22,600 (14.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): 33,687 (21.1 bb)

Preflop: (225) Hero is BTN with K K
Hero raises to 3,200, SB folds, BB calls 1,600

Flop: (7,425) Q Q T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 1,600, BB calls 1,600

Turn: (10,625) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 3,200, BB raises to 17,725 and is all-in, Hero ?


I think my c-bet it weak ?
If I c-bet 2/3 pot he will fold ?

this hand was played bad from preflop to the end.

Preflop:

you should have raised more preflop. this is a micro stakes DONKAMENT. Most dont pay attention to raise more,less based on hand strength. Most call no matter what with anything, unless you raise more then you usually do.

with this in mind I would have raised 3.25 x BB to about 5k or so preflop.


Postflop if you had raised more preflop, I would raise to 4500 at mininum. As played you should have raised to at least 3750 at mininum


on the turn you should have raised 5000. As played its a crying hero call.


The reason why you cant fold here is: ITS DONKAMENT, yes the 1 or 2 that advocated folding are right that the VIllain COULD have Q x, be check calling, then check reraising all in to protect their hand from the possible flush draw on the turn.


But if Villain really is doing that, why is Villain, checking, giving you a free card to make a flush? wouldnt the villain NOT check, and just bet pot or all in? knowing you would probably be strong enough to call. Why check, risk getting beat by a flush?


This tells me that the Villain probably didnt have Q x. Villains likely probable holdings are Ax suited, bottom, middle pair Ace kicker flush draw, and he is thinking in true fish donk fashion: OMG I have bottom, middle pair with A kicker with flush draw, and I have the nut best hand, so I probabl;y have the other guy beat, but just in case I dont, I will reraise him all in, and he might fold, and if he calls, I am probably ahead, but if I am beat and he calls, then I will probably improve my hand and win.


Villain could also have 66 to JJ


Based on that villains range is wide enough that you have to call. Also you only have 20 BB's you have alreay put about 6500 out of your 20 BB stack into the pot already, so with that in mind and with what you are holding, and what the other guy likely has, you are practically almost pot committed here pot odds wise.


I just dont see how anybody could ever fold in this situation in a DONKAMENT like this


Also just think how stupid you would feel if you folded and Villain shows a Ax bottom pair or middle pair A kicker flush draw( which is a very likely holding for villain)


Mike
08-23-2011 , 08:59 PM
i love mike

but honestly you played the hand very well and now i would call
08-24-2011 , 02:02 AM
Not sure if Mike is serious...

      
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