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ICMIzer says this is any2 tribet shove ICMIzer says this is any2 tribet shove

12-15-2013 , 11:29 AM
3k/6k No Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
3 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$1 + $0.10 Multi-Rush OD

Stacks:
BTN Monchy4 (65k) 11bb
SB billy210 (148k) 25bb
BB linshiq (62k) 10bb

Blinds: 3k/6k Ante 750

Pre-Flop: (11k, 3 players) linshiq is BB K 7
Monchy4 folds, billy210 raises to 12k, linshiq goes all-in 61k, billy210 calls 49k

Flop: K 8 7 (125k, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 6 (125k, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 10 (125k, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 125k
linshiq shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
K 7
billy210 shows Ace King high
5 A

linshiq wins 125k (net +63k)

billy210 lost 62k

http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#FkCe

Should i really do it with any2? or it's a configuration mistake/misinterpretation?
12-15-2013 , 11:37 AM
First, you have to set the correct open range and call
12-15-2013 , 11:42 AM
Is this better? I now receive a 35% resteal range vs his initial 70%
http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#sLDT
12-15-2013 , 11:00 PM
Do you mean that it is ATC open shove from CL?
12-16-2013 , 10:26 AM
I mean...i am fairly new to the ICMizer stuff and i am still learning how to use it.
I set the ranges with nash equilibrium
SB(chipleader) raises ideally 70% of his range.
ICMizer then tells me i can rejam 35% against his ideal 70% open with the odds I'm getting. Is that accurate? ICMizer says rejaming K7s is a +0.18 $ EV move, so regs should do this move, if I am using it right. My question is:
Do you guys rejam here, with the +0.18$ EV(for a 1.1$ tournament with 27paid structure)?
12-16-2013 , 01:13 PM
First of all finding Nash here gives you an idea of your opponents optimal steal range, ur shoving range and his response call range vs your shove.

But in reality he has no idea about Nash ranges, so you should be looking at his SB steal stats and actual situation to figure out his open range. Once that is done you need to think about your image, and how wide he will call your push.

After you have 2 ranges - open raise and call vs your shove, you will easily see the range you can rejam with.

About %Ev Diff size - in 180 man tournament 0.13% prize pool is a super clear push.

Generally in MTT if its more than 0% you should seriously consider pushing, 0.05% is almost always more than enough to justify a push over call, since that means winning a huge part of initial buy-in in a single hand.

In general, second link shows Nash solution, where he is both wide for open and for call, I think he might be tighter for call in reality, so its clearly a push.
12-16-2013 , 01:46 PM
Wow. Thanks alot for taking the time to do this. I learned alot from this post.
12-17-2013 , 04:39 AM
The problem with these ranges is that in reality they are NON-LINEAR i.e POLAR.
Basically w effective stack of 10 BBs most players will MR their top of the range+some total trash and shove everything in between.So when you are using a linear MRopen range of 70% and a call range of 30%(linear) this is not his actual range.
Q i wonder if there is a way of simulating this type of situations in ICIMIZER where you pick up a polarized range for open and then just choose the top of range% for calling a rejam?
PS I also doubt a good player has a r/f range 10 BB effective
12-17-2013 , 05:02 AM
Hey, sure thats possible.

Here I did exactly this:
http://www.icmpoker.com/icmizer/#YYcx

I assigned SB steal range

88+,A8s+,ATo+,KTs+,KJo+,QJ,82+,72+,62+,52+,42+,32

You can play around with your idea of polarized range if you think this one doesnt look good.
12-17-2013 , 05:37 AM
Cool thx man thats great.
Just a bit off topica i think GTO wise a balanced value/steal range would be smth like 60/40(might be wrong thou) i.e if his value range is 15% his steal(pure trash not say T8o) should be around 10% so i think its vice verse w ranges u give but this is not so important I am glad i can play around with non-linear ranges.

      
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