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How to choose SNG format? How to choose SNG format?

08-23-2016 , 02:29 AM
How do I choose between the different MTT SNGs formats? 50fifty, KO, speed, tournament size etc? So much to choose from.

My goal is to start playing MTTs in 1 month but i wanna get into alot of the different tournament situations first. ( My experience is HU for 3 years and spins for 1 year)
08-23-2016 , 02:39 AM
i recommend 180s if you want to transition to mtts quickly
08-25-2016 , 06:47 AM
I transitioned from 6 max stt to 180 man (few 18 man and 45 man) and now transitioning to MTT's and I agree with wanderer 180 mans are a good bridge to MTT's.

I still play some 180 man on stars if I have a smaller session window. but otherwise I play MTT's on other sites just because the smaller fields reduce some of the ridiculous variance. Also its softer so I still feel I have edge on field $30+ which would be marginal at best on stars.

Of course you have to then get used to worse software, the 7th table overlaps, note taking isn't really possible, table ninja doesn't really work properly. time bank to short. shocking reward schemes etc etc.
08-25-2016 , 07:21 AM
What kind of BR do you recommend for 180?
08-25-2016 , 08:38 AM
me? for a mix of 3.5r 8 and 15 (when running) I was using a 1.5k roll. Which ive reduced now as my abi has reduced if I'm playing in the evening when the 15's run, I play mtt's on other site instead, also my ABI for the 3.5R has gone from greater then $11 to about Ł8 as an adjustment to nerf. (for these reason and tbh bought a ps4 and games lol).
If poker was my main income I would want a higher BR for lower risk of ruin as well I would need to be playing more tables at these buy ins and would have a lower roi and therefore lower resilience to variance. ( I usually only 6 table but can do more on stars but am not going to be putting in the volume to establish if playing more table is good for me on this format in regards to expectation and variance resilience).
Stars is not my main roll, I think most of the BR advice on here assumes playing one site.
08-25-2016 , 10:48 AM
So it seems that for someone that does not massively multi-table an average of 100-150 BI should be ok. I was wondering if I can start switching to 180 mans with BR of 210 BI (on 2 sites). I'll give it a try and see what happens.

Thanks!
08-25-2016 , 11:37 AM
I think many would consider my BRM as aggressive. It depends on many factors such as acceptable risk of ruin, personnel financial situation, willingness to drop levels ets etc.
08-26-2016 , 04:36 AM
under 300BI for 180s is pretty much aggressive imo
08-26-2016 , 01:49 PM
yeah I agree. but having your whole roll on any one site isn't for me especially since full tilt collapse. Yes I could bust my stars roll and not be able to play the 180's. my game choice would be restricted for a time but hopefully I could rebuild bankroll using profit from other sites.
I think good BRM should be particular to the individual and their circumstances. In the past ive had shocking BRM but I wanted to play at stakes that meant something to me before I was correctly rolled for them. I think its all about informed personnel choice. play with a simulator and make sure your aware of how significant variance can be, then make your br choices.
If poker was my main income I would want a 300Bi roll on 3 different sites and 6 months life roll. completely different to my considerations now.
08-27-2016 , 04:46 PM
200 BI should be the minimum for 180s, 300 is way better.

Think about how often you sit up with a good stack with like 16 or 9 left and just lose a flip or 70/30 and that's it. 180 really can give you a headstart on how ****ing awful only playing big mtts is.

Otoh I'd play some 45mans because they start pretty often and you are on a FT way more often. In 180mans you learn how to approach the FT, but playing the FT is a rare occassion compared to 45m.
08-31-2016 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
200 BI should be the minimum for 180s, 300 is way better.

Think about how often you sit up with a good stack with like 16 or 9 left and just lose a flip or 70/30 and that's it. 180 really can give you a headstart on how ****ing awful only playing big mtts is.

Otoh I'd play some 45mans because they start pretty often and you are on a FT way more often. In 180mans you learn how to approach the FT, but playing the FT is a rare occassion compared to 45m.
+1.

I use 300bis bankroll rule for 180s. Had few downswings of 200bis on 8 and 3r
08-31-2016 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wanderer_pro
+1.

I use 300bis bankroll rule for 180s. Had few downswings of 200bis on 8 and 3r
i use 500 abi now. Had one 350buyin downswing few months ago.
08-31-2016 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbambocha
How do I choose between the different MTT SNGs formats? 50fifty, KO, speed, tournament size etc? So much to choose from.

My goal is to start playing MTTs in 1 month...
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Originally Posted by wanderer_pro
i recommend 180s if you want to transition to mtts quickly
100% agree and is not even close, 180s is the best school to learn larger field MTT basics/fundamentals.

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Originally Posted by URagnatha
I think many would consider my BRM as aggressive. It depends on many factors such as acceptable risk of ruin, personnel financial situation, willingness to drop levels ets etc.
I would add a couple of other and more crucial factors to this such as ROI too, ROIs is the ultimate variance killer, the lower your ROI the more frequent and lasting youŽll be experiencing a downswing and therefore needing a bigger bankroll and viceversa, if you have a high ROI youŽll be less frequent and will last less time on a downer meaning you would need a lower bankroll.
Another factor to consider in oder to determine you BRM requirements is your volume, but this wouldnt be such an issue if you dotn play poker fulltime and just as a side income or as a hobby.
A 3rd factor that i would considered would be how sensitive or prone to tilt are you, and finally (4th factor) how much time do you devote to study in relation to the playing time, poker is a game that is constantly evolving and getting tougher and tougher every year and staying ahead of the learning curve is getting harder and harder everytime and a clear sign of this is that ROIs is declining.

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Originally Posted by nomalice
under 300BI for 180s is pretty much aggressive imo
100% agree.

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Originally Posted by URagnatha
I think good BRM should be particular to the individual and their circumstances. In the past ive had shocking BRM but I wanted to play at stakes that meant something to me before I was correctly rolled for them. I think its all about informed personnel choice. play with a simulator and make sure your aware of how significant variance can be, then make your br choices.
If poker was my main income I would want a 300Bi roll on 3 different sites and 6 months life roll. completely different to my considerations now.
100% agree with this, solid advice here, BRM is very personal and player dependant.
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Originally Posted by wanderer_pro
+1.

I use 300bis bankroll rule for 180s. Had few downswings of 200bis on 8 and 3r
200BIs downer are ridic common on 180s and a 300BIs BRM is a bit too aggresive for me specially if you dont have reload posibilities and/or you need to regulary cashout to cover for personal expenses and stuff.
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Originally Posted by Leia Amidala
i use 500 abi now. Had one 350buyin downswing few months ago.
For me personally a 500BIs BRM rule for Turbos 180s is more appropiate.

      
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