1-Does it even make sense to call here... I guess its always a fold in game, but I got very surprised with the results of this hand in the spoiler... I guess I am being result oriented or is it the stakes that I am playing ATM ( some people are completely clueless?)
Obv, no reads on opponent
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 8 8
2 folds, MP1 calls 50, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 150, CO calls 150, 2 folds, BB raises to 675, 2 folds, CO raises to 1,470 and is all-in, BB calls 555 and is all-in
Flop: (2,685) 2 5 Q (2 players, 2 are all-in) Turn: (2,685) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: (2,685) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: 2,685 pot
Final Board: 2 5 Q 9 5
CO showed A T and won 2,685 (1,455 net)
BB showed J K and lost (-1,230 net)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A 9
MP1 calls 1,000, 4 folds, Hero raises to 6,575 and is all-in, BB calls 2,909 and is all-in, MP1 calls 5,575
Flop: (17,759) 6 5 J (3 players, 2 are all-in) Turn: (17,759) 7 (3 players, 2 are all-in) River: (17,759) Q (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: 17,759 pot
Final Board: 6 5 J 7 Q
Hero showed A 9 and lost (-6,675 net)
BB showed A 2 and lost (-4,009 net)
MP1 showed A Q and won 17,759 (11,084 net)
1) iso limper bigger. It's not a call/jam though. You'll often be surprised by what they flip over but we still want to get it in with 30+BB a little stronger than 88
2) it's kind of meh but still a shove. You'll see a limp called strong hand here from time to time but with dead money it's prob ever so slightly +cEV
I'd only call the 88 if both of those guys were playing like a vpip of 50ish and a pfr of 30ish. As long as you have 10-15 hands on them it's enough to decide what to do with 88 imo. You only need like 30% with whatever hand you have. It's like breakeven vs 10% ranges. There's a lot of guys who I would snap with TT/99 here 88 is getting a little weak though.
2nd hand is a clear shove. The only time you can fold that is to some reg who plays like 15/13 and is obviously just trapping his aces.
Hand 1: I usually raise 4BB for any limper and 1BB for any aditional limper. Dispite that I fold there to his reraise. I don't think he is folding and I either flip or crushed. Also I have to worry about the caller to my left
Hand 2: At the end I have abondoned the push over an UTG limper with hands like A9. I think that the variance is to high.