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Old 12-07-2016, 02:30 AM   #1
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Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

Is this an overshove in this situation 15BB in mid position? Or should I have 2.5xed here.

Sorry if it seems like I'm posting alot guys. Hopefully these spots become standard for me soon


PokerStars - 40/80 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 20.59 BB (VPIP: 18.38, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 4.09, Hands: 586)
SB: 24.51 BB (VPIP: 56.00, PFR: 29.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
BB: 21.46 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 27)
UTG: 15.01 BB (VPIP: 9.92, PFR: 7.08, 3Bet Preflop: 3.54, Hands: 597)
Hero (UTG+1): 15.53 BB
MP: 12.66 BB (VPIP: 30.49, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 12.90, Hands: 84)
CO: 35.8 BB (VPIP: 44.00, PFR: 32.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 25)

7 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.38 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, Hero raises to 15.4 BB and is all-in, MP calls 12.54 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (27.45 BB, 2 players) 6 6 4

Turn: (27.45 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (27.45 BB, 2 players) J

Hero shows 7 7 (Two Pair, Sevens and Sixes)
(Pre 55%, Flop 76%, Turn 86%)
MP shows A T (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 45%, Flop 24%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 27.45 BB
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Old 12-07-2016, 09:09 AM   #2
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

I believe this should be +EV, not largely +EV, but it's a decent shove. Opening such hands you should always make dependent on villains behind you and their stacksizes. In this specific case I think both is fine. People seem reasonable but not overly loose. Keep in mind though that you want to raise\fold if you get shoved\3bet on.
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Old 12-08-2016, 06:22 AM   #3
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

I'm never raise folding 77 for 15bbs, but at that level yuo're gonna get a ton of flatters ip to make life a mare post flop so a jam is prob best. Otherwise if opening I'm snapping off everyone except perhaps maybe button who seems a pretty nitty 4% 3b stat.
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Old 12-11-2016, 05:15 AM   #4
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

I shove this.

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Sorry if it seems like I'm posting alot guys. Hopefully these spots become standard for me soon
It's good. For me personally the right level of busyness of the forum is when threads with last posts "today" and "yesterday" make up about 3/4 of the first sheet, so it's pretty quiet at the moment and would be even more so without you.

Also kudos for posting a hand where you won but weren't sure. Shows the right attitude.
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Old 12-13-2016, 11:17 AM   #5
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

Readless im Open Shoving this low-mid PPs and r/c vs agrro villains
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Old 12-13-2016, 12:14 PM   #6
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

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Readless im Open Shoving this low-mid PPs and r/c vs agrro villains
Is the reason you are r/c vs aggro villains, is that you want to be in a pair vs two overcards matchup?

I like shoving to avoid giving villains the 3bet option and putting me in a spot to call off.. putting the pressure on them to call instead. Is that decent way to play it..or is that a mistake??
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Old 12-13-2016, 03:02 PM   #7
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

It depends on the hands and the ranges. Putting pressure isn't a goal in itself, the point is for them to give chips away.

Obviously against 88+ you are getting it all in whatever happens. The point is what strategy helps us win chips against the other hands - all of which we are fine about going up against. Against aggro player the way to get chips in is to let them jam over you - they may have more hands that do that than would call a 15 BB shove.

On the other hand, a loose passive player is rarely 3-bet shoving but may call our shove. Our hand doesn't play well post flop with this stack size (too often we see overs and are just bluff catching or folding and we don't get sets enough) and the passive player will flatcall all kinds of hands like J9o that have good odds against us that would have either folded or called a jam (either of which is better).
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:15 PM   #8
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

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Is the reason you are r/c vs aggro villains, is that you want to be in a pair vs two overcards matchup?
I think you´re focusing it the wrong way

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I like shoving to avoid giving villains the 3bet option and putting me in a spot to call off
I dont mind r/c even with 66 if by r/c i generate more EV than open shoving 66, is realy that simple.

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The point is what strategy helps us win the most chips against the other hands...
edit it a bit
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:50 AM   #9
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Re: Blinds 40/80 - shoving 15BB with 77

shoving seems standard with no aggro regs behind. inducing is a better option if you know they are aggro monkeys and/or you have laggy image.
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