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03-07-2012 , 01:36 PM

robwa

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 483

FT
Villain is random.
What are our calling ranges in this spot vs random?
What are our calling ranges in this spot vs regular?
Should we focus on ICM since BB only has 1 blind left?
Still makes this a call?

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (2,500/5,000 blinds, 500 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 6 Players

UTG: 82,656 (16.5 bb)
MP: 34,421 (6.9 bb)
CO: 41,747 (8.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): 16,574 (3.3 bb)
SB: 88,871 (17.8 bb)
BB: 5,731 (1.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

2 folds, CO raises to 41,247 and is all-in, Hero ?????

03-07-2012 , 01:48 PM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

i think its a fold w/o running numbers. just by feel.
if we are BB we obv call. if BB is a bigger stack we obv call
with ATs/AJo i'd call as well mostly.

03-07-2012 , 02:47 PM

ChAAnt JC

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,406

Hmm. I dunno. We're in the danger zone and the pay jump will be tiny. This is about as good a spot as we can hope for to get the money in. If we were 3/4 handed in a similar spot I like a fold more but I think I call here and try to build a stack. Thin though, definitely the bottom of my range.

03-07-2012 , 07:41 PM

999NoigeL

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 144

Assuming BB always calls off and 0 edge villain needs to shove >35% for a call to be correct. With a BB that is clearly committed and a bigstack in SB I'm not so sure if to many players will be shoving that much, deff not randoms.

03-08-2012 , 03:50 AM

bombonanza

adept

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,173

i fold. i think ill only call here with QQ+

03-08-2012 , 06:15 AM

ChAAnt JC

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,406

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombonanza

i fold. i think ill only call here with QQ+

So your folding 3bbs here for a payjump from $21 to $27 when's it's $123 ftw? QQ+ seems ridiculous to me. I'm not saying A9o isn't a fold - though I'd call - but surely QQ+ is SUPER nitty. Or I'm an ICM fish.

03-08-2012 , 08:11 AM

999NoigeL

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 144

Think somewere like 77+/AJ+ will just about hit the spot

03-08-2012 , 08:15 AM

Camzace

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,351

A9o seems a bit thin here, esp vs a random

Last edited by Camzace; 03-08-2012 at 08:27 AM.

03-08-2012 , 08:32 AM

ShipPlusClown

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 197

Can someone explain the details, why exactly we want to fold A9o here?

03-08-2012 , 08:42 AM

#10

ChAAnt JC

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,406

Quote:

Originally Posted by 999NoigeL

Think somewere like 77+/AJ+ will just about hit the spot

This seems more like it to me. Folding JJ or AKs (especially given the payout structure is so top-heavy) is just lol.

03-08-2012 , 12:41 PM

#11

kabouter

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,173

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShipPlusClown

Can someone explain the details, why exactly we want to fold A9o here?

Because the BB is going to call for sure and if he busts (65% chance I'd say with CO's range), we get a pay bump. Besides that I'm not sure how well we'd do against villains range. We still get 3 chances to shove.

But then again I just started playing these 180's so take all of this with a grain of salt.

I'd probably call here with AT+ 77+, but it is close.

03-08-2012 , 07:10 PM

#12

HUHandEH

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,458

I ship....I would of shoved it anyway.

but yeah it's close.

03-08-2012 , 07:20 PM

#13

grausas

banned

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 35

Folding A9o here, even ATo. AJo pretty close, but probably calling.

03-09-2012 , 12:16 AM

#14

MadDogFerg

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Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,064

I would call a reg here

When do we start talking about taking this spot because it will be the least bad spot we are likely to get in the next few hands i.e 3 BB has very limited FE and we have about 4 hands to get something good

03-09-2012 , 12:47 AM

#15

sayakmitra

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

I call with 3bb......would have defo folded if my stacks are bit bigger.

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