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88 UTG+1 with 12bb pre ante in 180T 2.50 game, my line correct? 88 UTG+1 with 12bb pre ante in 180T 2.50 game, my line correct?

08-23-2011 , 05:17 PM
    Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (75/150 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10371642

    MP1: 1,500 (10 bb)
    MP2: 3,865 (25.8 bb)
    MP3: 4,085 (27.2 bb)
    CO: 1,145 (7.6 bb)
    BTN: 6,682 (44.5 bb)
    SB: 1,503 (10 bb)
    BB: 1,805 (12 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,875 (12.5 bb)
    Hero (UTG+2): 1,815 (12.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 8 8
    UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to 300, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 300, 5 folds

    Flop: (825) 2 4 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets 450, MP2 folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: 825 pot
    Final Board: 2 4 8
    MP2 mucked and lost (-300 net)
    Hero mucked 8 8 and won 825 (525 net)



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    Hi People!

    Another hand i played in a 180turbo 2,50 on stars.
    I decided to min raise with a 12bb stack pre ante in UTG+1.

    Is my line wrong here that i would better open shove it?
    What woulde be the default play here considering my stacksize and what range do we shove [ shoving range i asked in another post also about a hand, but feedback still very much appreciated ]

    Thanks for the feedback !!!
    08-23-2011 , 06:22 PM
    nothing wrong with minraising or shoving pre.

    As for the flop - its so dry that u may want to check it and give him a chance to catch something.

    What are you hoping to get value from here?
    08-23-2011 , 06:44 PM
    I would shove pre just about everytime, you just get flatted too often and people don't reshove enough in $2s.

    Whyyyy bet 450 flop!? Bet like something small/silly like 250 so he'll flat stupid hands or make a bluff raise. Or just check I prefer small bet slightly
    08-23-2011 , 09:41 PM
    It seems like you are just going through the motions without thinking it through. Example, what calls you on the flop? almost nothing. Yet you cbet just to cbet (at least it appears that way). For a player like you, shoving might be best preflop. nh
    08-23-2011 , 10:33 PM
    everybody has said pretty nmuch what I was gona say. Dont min raise raise 2.65 x BB or shove, or limp(but only because of your short to small stack size)

    min razising encourages to many preflop callers, out of position postflop. Raising to 2.65 to 2.73 x BB will fold out some players.

    Postflop only CBET IF: J 7 2 rainbow dry type board. If a Q or better flops or if a possible draw flops DONT CBET, and if you do CBET make it semi small for both pot control, and so that its just barely big enough to fold out people postflop, and so that its small enough to encourage somebody with a lesser hand then your to call.

    Betting a big CBET out of position can get you into trouble and not paid off.


    AS PLAYED:


    check or bet small. Betting big here is no good, because like others have said here, who the hell is gona pay you off, and with what?? probably nobody, and you just failed to extract value from your flopped trips.
    08-24-2011 , 01:48 AM
    If you raise here it should only be to induce, and inducing with 88 is pretty marginal unless there are spazzes behind you. Definitely just jamming pre readless and in 95% of scenarios.

    OTF I probably 1/3pot or check or something. The bet isn't too bad but we're not scared of anything and we can bet really small and still get it in OTR with no effort
    08-24-2011 , 06:43 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glitlr
    It seems like you are just going through the motions without thinking it through. Example, what calls you on the flop? almost nothing. Yet you cbet just to cbet (at least it appears that way). For a player like you, shoving might be best preflop. nh
    IF i Cbet when i miss the flop, i believe i also have to cbet here when i do have a hand.
    Probably giving the player tendencies at this stakes a huge mistake!
    I was aware of my mistake as soon as i made my bet so you are all right!
    Thanks for the feedback !
    08-24-2011 , 08:08 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Camzace
    If you raise here it should only be to induce, and inducing with 88 is pretty marginal unless there are spazzes behind you. Definitely just jamming pre readless and in 95% of scenarios.

    OTF I probably 1/3pot or check or something. The bet isn't too bad but we're not scared of anything and we can bet really small and still get it in OTR with no effort

    +1 Definitely jamming here, but from the cutoff back, I'm min raising to induce every time.

          
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