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08-18-2011 , 10:09 AM

mongool5

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 127

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 8 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1180)
UTG (t1490)
UTG+1 (t1640)
MP1 (t1470)
MP2 (t3335)
CO (t1465)
Button (t1450)
Hero (SB) (t1470)

Hero's M: 32.67

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 9

2 folds, MP1 calls t30, MP2 bets t90, CO calls t90, 1 fold, Hero calls t75, 2 folds

Flop: (t330) 9

, 5

, 7

(3 players)

hmmz, whats our plan here?

08-18-2011 , 10:54 AM

streetwalkincheeta

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,132

Would mostly just fold pre,check/decide on the flop.

08-18-2011 , 11:24 AM

sayakmitra

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

options:
1.Check and if there is bet by MP2/CO, FOLD
2.Check and check-raise a weak bet from MP2/CO
3.Bet and MP2/CO folds,take down the pot
4.Bet and got check-raised by MP2/CO, FOLD

I would prefer the option 1 for the safe play, no need to spew away chips now by playing guessing games. If everybody checks otf and turn is blank, the try to take the pot away by betting.

08-18-2011 , 12:01 PM

mongool5

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 127

ok mp2 cbets 180

08-18-2011 , 01:23 PM

sayakmitra

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 635

What did the CO do???

If CO calls/raise I would FOLD immediately.
If CO folds: He bets less than half pot. So either he is weak or wants some action. As I am oop I would be happy to fold than raise to find out where we stand(as you have to risk more than 25% of your stack with that weak holding in this wet board)

08-18-2011 , 02:52 PM

martin_malin

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,332

meh folding the flop

playing poker in position is a bit easier

08-18-2011 , 04:02 PM

mongool5

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by sayakmitra

What did the CO do???
[...]
As I am oop I would be happy to fold than raise to find out where we stand[...]

co folded, action back to me
dont like inforaising fwiw

i c/folded and wondered if its bad.

08-18-2011 , 04:04 PM

phishman

Booty Connoisseur

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11,646

fold pre

08-19-2011 , 03:38 AM

PAROOVKA

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 405

The only one play here is ch/f. This flop is not what you expect to hit, and you really rarely hit with A9s, so it's rather fold pre.

08-19-2011 , 07:54 PM

#10

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,060

fold pre, u are basically flush mining and don't have the odds. a call can't be terrible ev wise but it's a fold. when you hit 9xx (even if it's monotone) it's not like your hand plays well, and axx is not a good flop for you either

c/f flop, not very close either

08-20-2011 , 02:13 PM

#11

ndahlhoff10

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,224

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetwalkincheeta

Would mostly just fold pre,check/decide on the flop.

yea

08-20-2011 , 03:48 PM

#12

mckrogh

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 6,495

just fold pre

08-21-2011 , 09:06 AM

#13

skJacob

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 363

this is why you should fold pre

08-21-2011 , 10:58 AM

#14

Gazillion

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,721

+1 to all those who fold pre. Completing would be different, but you're facing a PFR and I just don't see how this spot is ever favourable or profitable for you. I think discussing postflop lines is effectively pointless here because you shouldn't have gotten to the flop in the first place IMO.

08-22-2011 , 07:55 AM

#15

wackyradish

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 421

+1 fold pre

08-22-2011 , 11:10 PM

#16

TomoDaK

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,837

I think calling pre is ok. You can fold but you must calls ATs

When mp2 bets you fold. Donking flop is an option

08-22-2011 , 11:13 PM

#17

Gazillion

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8,721

Tomo, I fold ATs pre and dont feel even a little bit bad about it

08-23-2011 , 05:11 AM

#18

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

continuing postflop is worse than calling pre (which is def very marginal)

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