villain had a 3bet of 2% over 500 hands and a 4bet of 0%. Would always be getting it in here with QQ against nearly any other player. Can we justify a fold? or should we just get it in and suck out/ hold against AK.

Thanks.

snap

purely cause we have QQ?

meh kinda feel the same now but at the time was like whats the point in having a hud and knowing that at best your flipping if im gonna ignore it anyway.

would you be snapping 10s or JJ here?

thanks.

yes. dont think you can put people on a range with plays like these in this kind of tournaments (1.30$buy in)
just looks so fishy

I'll happily get it in with 10s and JJ.

Fold, at very best you are flipping

Why would he push AA/KK here like that. If he 4bets ~ 500 than u get suspicious.
500 hands is nothing, looks like a squeeze.
9s $1.36 SnG I'm not folding QQ pre flop ever.

i like the fold and i like that you stuck to your read

why have a hud if your not going to use it. Flipping at best, so fold

never fold AK
and because of that: never fold QQ

(true at: 1-2$)

I'm folding. People like this so often ship hands like aa, kk, ak in these early stages of touneys cause so many fish call with garbage.

Easy fold for me

Easy fold, and I don't know what the hell everyone else is talking about. Use that damn hud. I mean 3-bet is 2%. That should tell you something. And five hundred hands is the best sample you could hope to get.

Also, at the beginning of micro tourneys, it's best to fold if you're not sure. You are sitting on 75 bb, and by folding, people are giving you money by getting out of the tourney early. Don't make these marginal calls at the beginning of tourneys. You can wait for 20-25 bb and for the big fish to be taken out before you need to make marginal calls. Marginal calls are for when you are against opponents who are at your same skill level, not early where people are throwing money at you.

this looks like throwing money

the only situation I am not calling here with QQ is when I have a DISTINCT read that he will do it only with KK+. And 500 hands, well, a pretty large sample size but any other reads? He could have been sitting out for 200 hands (it happens) and that's why he is so low in stats (looks like a rock). If he plays only top 5% and 3bets/4bets KK+ only, the it's a fold. Other than that, call.
You keep saying that stats are important etc, but you don't take into consideration other factors, like does he play loose versus Hero, does he 3bet/4bet only certain type of players (weak/tight/players he has reads on) and so on. If you have 500 hands on him, he has 500 hands on you too. If he's a good reg (which judging from the stats he probably isn't - what is his vpip/pfr?) he may try to push lighter here.


And this is almost all wrong. You don't get money when weak players are eliminated, you get money when you get their chips (your value comes from the players you have edge on). Where would you rather play - a 180men with 170 other regs or 180men with 170 unknowns and 9 other regs? Here's your answer.
Fact, early in a tourney you play tight, but I am not folding QQ pre unless I have a distinct read on a player who is tight like a rock.

std fold vs this player.
it's KK+

with a 500 hand sample size go through your hud before making this call. A lot of 2.50$ regs still don't fold AK or JJ to me which is weird. I'm definitely folding TT and JJ in this spot, but QQ see why his 3bet/4bet stat is so low because I've had sb steals be at 100% over 400 hands and it's only based on 5spots. Also do you mind telling us what this guy showed up with?

Just because someone doesn't 4bet doesn't mean they can't have AA/KK. I called a 1500 open shove w/9s in the bb, bb20 at the 2.50$, and I've been wrong at times with them showing up with the nizzles

Firstly thanks for all posts

ive shoved a few times in spots like these with AA KK and got called really light for an easy double up so i would say that they make up a large portion of his range. Secondly if were not folding QQ due to the low buy in etc then suggesting villain is squeezing seems contradictory as its very unlikely a typical opponent would know what a squeeze is.

- what is his vpip/pfr?

he was playing at a 11/9 and hadnt sat out any hands lol. Ive only got 3 hand histories of him 3betting all of which are when villain is really short and even then he showed up with AKo, TT and one 'crazy' 3bet with A3s and a stack of 2bb.

-Also do you mind telling us what this guy showed up with?

dont know unfortuantly he mucked lol.

I guess u r right, it is a bit contradictory although I wouldn't claim that the people who play them typically don't know what a squeeze is.
My not folding QQ in 9s is based on the fact that u can easily go trough several of them without ever being dealt AA/KK so u can't afford to fold hands like QQ very often.
But, if your read/stats say that the villain is super tight like that, ok, maybe folding here is best.
In general, in 9s I'm happy to ship my chips with Q's every time.

U can check your HH and find all the hands when there was all in and a call ( or u can make a note of them from now on) and see how would QQ do against those hands.
But do it separately, to see how the QQ does as a shoving and as a calling hand.