It is so -ev according wiz, what do you think?

I think I'd be getting it in here with JJ

+1. it`s like my bottom here.

i dont see a reason for him not to push ( he is a reg), there is no other bs behind.
His open raise is wighted to a very strong range, imo he expects a reshove!
Might be folding even QQ here cause i am paranoid!

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probably a bad call as far as icm is concerned. with the shorter stacks still at the table i think i pass up on this hand.

wtf? snaaaaaaaaaaap!

who the *** is your teacher?

I would recommend to get another one, may i could do a better job

any reason why should we ignore icm here?

You are miles ahead of his range and this double up is exactly what you need to put you in a better position to win.

I think this is a snap. I am folding only if I had some history with this player and knew he would raise only premiums..

**** mincashes

how can people say this isnt a shove???? idd maybe fold 99 or worse, but jj is a bad fold here i am pretty sure.

Pretty sure your job is to troll the world.

TT+, AK.

LOL at folding JJ here, you may as well buy 7 cheesburger's + give them to a tramp.

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Depends on his shoverange. If he shoves more than 55% we can call. Dont know how aggro villain is because op gave no reads.

Fold if you want to finish 5-7th.

Random's wont be shoving that wide but decent reg's will be shoving close to that range.

Thats wrong in my opinion as a generalisation. Most people have no clue about the icm factors in 45man as you can see in this Thread and they call too wide. So shoving 55% here would be a big mistake most of the time.

btw. all those answers where people look at ops hand and see that its a good Hand get excited and write "snapcall!!!111" wont help anyone. Its more like spam in my opinion. If you say: "In my opinion ICM doesnt matter here on the bubble that much and therefore i call to get first place more often" then its ok, but flaming other people who play according to ICM is just bad manner.

Agree with this part: Most people have no clue about ICM.

So shoving 55% here is a big mistake most of the time: Say i shove X range in villains spot, i know people cannot call me profitably without top 5%, its really makes 55% an easy shove, especially with stacks set up as they are.

Regarding HERO, only way i would be thinking of folding JJ is if i had 9k+ as the risk/future equity we stand to lose far outwieghs out equity we have with 5k.

If your talking about me Cpt. pretty sure i never flamed anyone.

Thought so too. That 2bb stack is going down anyway I guess, maybe even BB calls here with good odds. But it's to good to waste.

I bet he's shoving it with 99/AJs/AQo

@syker12:
You know that people can not call you profitably but they do it anyway. And then the equity goes to the other players at the table and you and villain both lose equity.You can not abuse the bubble that much against players who dont understand icm and just play their absolute Hand Strength.

Yay basically you're both risking EQ to gain EQ. If you go broke, everybody at the table moves from average EQ to x+(1/X) because of you leaving.

If you double up, all players will have the same EQ, only your EQ regarding your chipcount will be higher, but villains EQ is decreasing - not vanishing.

One of the best players in the world son.

Easy call, very unlikely his raise sizing is AA-QQ. TT/AKs is a bit of a dilemma.

It's a game flow decision. If villain's open folded a lot on the bubble then you should fold but if he's abusing the bubble then it's an easy call. The default play without any reads would be to call. There is a strong ICM factor here with these stack sizes.

lol, just lol

cawl