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01-31-2016 , 09:30 PM
I trying to find the good regs at my stake in a review for the month just to see if i haven't tagged anyone whilst playing.

I am wanting to filter out by stats and am wondering what you would suggest for:

VPIP/PFR.
3-Bet%.
Attempt to Steal.
Fold to Steal.
C-bet.

Any other important stats would be great if you could share.
01-31-2016 , 10:32 PM
ok as every action should be a reaction to others tendencies im not sure how helpful this process is. also i dont play 45 man so standing by to be corrected.

so the ratio of vpip to pfr is more important then individual values ie a reg may have 20/19 or 8/7 both are fine the 8/7 reg may be massive multitabling and letting marginal spots go.
so as the ratio is more important you cant filter for this i belive

3 bet %. i consider anyhting less then 8 to be tightish anything more then 13 % to be aggro ( 3 bet % increase with B.I you havent mebtion your a.b.i). Also 3 bet percetn needs a fairly large sample to be useful.

attempt to steal -- this is position dependent i have a 5 line hud as a c/o steal is very different to a sb steal. i dont imagumate those stats as the indication by variaton is to valuable.

fold to steal is therefore a recipricol of as mentioned

c bet

now this is interting as cbet % are falling as c bet success is falling across the player pool.

c bet % should relate to your image/ there image, number of players in pot/ your position their position, board texture and how it matches to said ranges. Also c bet relates to player pool and assesed player level. delayed c bets work great in some spots but would be f.p.s in others. etc

basically im saying evaluate not pigeon hole
01-31-2016 , 10:51 PM
ok thats a drunken rant but what im saying is when your multi tabling your stats can be very different on different tables i could be playing 5/9 or 22/27 my 3 bet could be 0 or 15. without massive samples its more important to evaluate the data in situ.
my c bet would be between 55 and 100% yep tahts a wide range but as menitoned its a function of players in pot my position, my image their image, icm, interpretaitons of icm, board texture, table dynamics, stack sizes, commitment thresholds and proximity to them. and so many other factors its a ball ache to list.
Basically im saying this analyse the stats to look for leaks is fine if we have large samples but drawing conclusions on staistics on small samples wil be harmful. better to anylyse after each session as every thing else is in flux.
01-31-2016 , 10:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by URagnatha
ok as every action should be a reaction to others tendencies im not sure how helpful this process is. also i dont play 45 man so standing by to be corrected.
OK. im assuming we are not playing pure gto and when gto is optimal the game has already died.
02-01-2016 , 08:48 AM
Limp fold % is really useful I found
02-01-2016 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps
Limp fold % is really useful I found
in identifying regs? as in if they do this they are not regs?

i use notes for open high blind limping - fold. As im playing 6 tables although i have tried 20 tabling recently with TN2, note taking isnt possible with 20 tables so i will consider having this stat. at the moment i just use the ratio of vpip to pfr.

limp fold % doesnt differentiate between limping in the 1st 2 levels ( some good regs still do this, normally ones that are not playing so many tables. Ok not so many nowadays in turbo structure but limping 1st 2 levels is very different to limping later on.

Also some regs have open limps in the sb ( limp stab line mostly) and some have open limps on the button.

Anyway i think op wanted people to say regs will be c betting 75-95 % or something. Thats a wide range but i think you may find some good non standard regs outside this.

Also again player pool and abi matter. On Looser lower B.I tables more people will call the "regs" raises and the c bet percentages will lower in these spots.

My c bet % has got lower I used to c bet like 95% now its closer to 70%. I delay c bet now vs some villain types on some boards. I also think im better and recognising spots where the flop has hit there range hard and not mine. And you also get more floats in higher buy in player pools.

Also last point and i will stop rambling i have players labbeled fish with stats like 17/15 c bet 85% and a 3 bet % of like 8%. the main stats all look reggy but they can have massive exploitable leaks, or sometimes leaks that cant be exploited but still cost the individual EV. Many players have reggy stats that are super bad!
02-01-2016 , 08:54 PM
Thank you for you responses on both my posts, even if you were drunk haha.

I don't think my sample size is large enough, max hands on opponent being 500 hands, its rather difficult to see regs at such small stakes. I will keep at it though and work on my game. Thanks for your responses.

ABI is about $0.67. Mixing $0.50 predominantly with some $1.00 games.

      
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