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4/180, 5-5-5 in large multiway pot on a flush board 4/180, 5-5-5 in large multiway pot on a flush board

12-04-2011 , 05:26 PM
hey everyone, just wondering the correct decision in this hand.

    Poker Stars, $4.10 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11230982

    BB: 1,665 (55.5 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,320 (44 bb)
    UTG+2: 3,175 (105.8 bb)
    MP1: 1,200 (40 bb)
    MP2: 2,191 (73 bb)
    MP3: 1,980 (66 bb)
    CO: 1,305 (43.5 bb)
    BTN: 1,955 (65.2 bb)
    Hero (SB): 5,669 (189 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 5
    UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, 2 folds, CO calls 30, BTN calls 30, Hero completes, BB checks

    Flop: (180) K 9 5 (6 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets 1,170 and is all-in, CO folds, BTN raises to 1,925 and is all-in, hero...?




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    pretty obvious im against atleast one flush, correct to fold, or call for board pair?

    it's 2k to me to win just over 5k, so getting around 2.5-1.. board pairs around 1 in 3 correct? so this is a fold?

    thanks for help!
    12-04-2011 , 07:18 PM
    OK there's something wrong in here... 5k pot and 2k to call? Then you have 5:2 or 2.5:1 odds so it means that you have to have at least 28% equity in order to call, and you have 7 outs for full house/quads if you're already against a flush (and not a higher set), which makes you 28% for the win = you call.

    BUT as far as I can see you have a 3k pot on the flop and you have to call 2k to win 3k, and this means 3:2 or 1.5:1 for at least 40% equity to call. Your equity as I said is ~28% = fold.

    please correct me but I think I am right...
    12-05-2011 , 11:14 AM
    I do not believe we can be sure of a made flush here.

    Also Xmens odds are slightly off because you will have 7 outs on the turn but if you miss on the turn 10 on the river moving your equity (if behind) up to 34ish %

    So you have to call.
    12-05-2011 , 11:23 AM
    lead flop youself +140 ,call now.
    12-05-2011 , 02:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tigrana;30211301[B
    ]I do not believe we can be sure of a made flush here[/B].

    Also Xmens odds are slightly off because you will have 7 outs on the turn but if you miss on the turn 10 on the river moving your equity (if behind) up to 34ish %

    So you have to call.
    its 15/30 blinds and 2 all ins. 99% someones got a flushie
    12-05-2011 , 06:31 PM
    might fold given mediocre odds, think top set or even mid set is significantly better due to better equity vs. two pair and obv other set/s. that being said these guys can show up with two pair, pair+ac or even weaker clubs so i don't mind getting it in either.
    12-05-2011 , 08:01 PM
    Is it worth 1 I to find out. Not like a fold will leave us short or anything. We have an edge and should wait for better spots and use that IMO rather then going bust against bigger sets and maybe flushes.

    1 BI THAT IS.

    Last edited by AUSSIE CROUP; 12-05-2011 at 08:02 PM. Reason: mistake
    12-06-2011 , 08:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tigrana
    I do not believe we can be sure of a made flush here.

    Also Xmens odds are slightly off because you will have 7 outs on the turn but if you miss on the turn 10 on the river moving your equity (if behind) up to 34ish %

    So you have to call.
    34% for 10 outs? accodring to pokerstove if you're up against a top pair and a made flush, 10 outs on the river give you 21% equity to be exact. If you're still against two guys, one of whom has top pair and the other has AcXx, then you are a big favourite: 83% to 17% of the guy with a draw (villain with top pair is drawing dead). So your equity diminishes if you're up against a made flush even if you gain 3 outs (7 outs x 4=28% ott, 10 outs x 2=20% otr), because there is only one card to come.
    This is of course very speculative assuming that one of them has a flush (they flop it 1/114 times they have two suited cards pre flop).

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
    might fold given mediocre odds, think top set or even mid set is significantly better due to better equity vs. two pair and obv other set/s. that being said these guys can show up with two pair, pair+ac or even weaker clubs so i don't mind getting it in either.
    for me it would be a pot odds decision, against one guy I would get it in, against two of them I would have to think for a while. Obv they may not have a made flush so we're way ahead of their draws/top pair/two pair combinations. A marginal call in this situation imo.

          
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